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As already mentioned, the important factors are the PCD (Pitch Circle Diamater) ie the distance inbetween each bolt hole on the wheel, and also the offset (how far from the centre-line of the wheel hub the outer rim sits).
If either of these are incorrect then they simply won't fit. Although you can get hubcentric spacers and adapters it's really not worth the trouble and expense to make a set of wheels fit, you're far better off getting correctly fitting wheels in the first place.
Then you need to think about the physical size of the wheels & tyres, whether they will actually fit under the arches and what effect they might have on speedo readings etc. I can't recall very many (if any) Berlingo's rolling on 17's, that's not to say that they won't fit but they may require some alterations to be made to fit them properly.
Those wheels actually look ok, they should look good on a Berlingo. If you know the seller then why not ask to try a wheel on your Berlingo to see if it will actually fit before you go ahead with buying them? swapping a wheel over is only a 10 minute job.
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(08-11-2012, 09:31 AM)hachiroku Wrote: As already mentioned, the important factors are the PCD (Pitch Circle Diamater) ie the distance inbetween each bolt hole on the wheel, and also the offset (how far from the centre-line of the wheel hub the outer rim sits).
If either of these are incorrect then they simply won't fit. Although you can get hubcentric spacers and adapters it's really not worth the trouble and expense to make a set of wheels fit, you're far better off getting correctly fitting wheels in the first place.
Then you need to think about the physical size of the wheels & tyres, whether they will actually fit under the arches and what effect they might have on speedo readings etc. I can't recall very many (if any) Berlingo's rolling on 17's, that's not to say that they won't fit but they may require some alterations to be made to fit them properly.
Those wheels actually look ok, they should look good on a Berlingo. If you know the seller then why not ask to try a wheel on your Berlingo to see if it will actually fit before you go ahead with buying them? swapping a wheel over is only a 10 minute job.
Cheers hachiroku, thats VERY helpful and informative for someone like me that hasnt got a clue about wheels...:whistle:
My problem is that I am on Orkney and the wheels are in Glasgow, so a try before I buy is impossible.
I do believe the seller as he seems to have renovated vehicles as a bit of a hobby, but it's an expensive mistake if he is wrong as I also have to pay to have them shipped up here...
He says they are 'Fox' wheels and when I have done a bit of digging I think they are the 'Evo2' model - but I can't seem to get any info on them anywhere.. illyme:
He says they will fit under the arches fine as they did on his Kangoo without any alterations at all.
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You are taking a massive risk buying something without being sure they are right.
The load rating is also too low for the vehisle by the looks of it.
You need to make sure your insurers are aware of the modification of fitting non standard alloys as well.
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08-11-2012, 01:29 PM
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(08-11-2012, 06:55 AM)Fletch Wrote: What a Rigmarole! Just leave the steel ones on and buy some wheel trims if you must. Alloy wheels are weak and are nothing but trouble, especially ones that arn't OEM.
That is a very generic statement for a very low proportionate real world occurance.
(07-11-2012, 11:19 PM)Merlecollins Wrote: I'm really confused now...
So '80H' are no good for vans then??
And how do I read about van rated wheels if wheels don't have a rating?
Help...LOL
Come on now, it's really not that difficult to search Google for the information.
Typing "Tyre load ratings" into Google, this is the first result.
http://www.blackcircles.com/general/load-rating
Depending on what the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of your van is [which will be on the VIN plate of the vehicle], you need tyres which exceed this value.
For example, the GVW Rating of my Lexus LS400 is 2247KG, the recommended minimum tyre rating is 97, a rating of 730KG per tyre. So multiply that by 4 tyres, gives a total of 2920Kg, in excess of the vehicles GVW, with a hefty safety margin on top.
You'll see on that linked page, you can input your Registration Number, and it will tell you the minimum weight and speed ratings you need.
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(08-11-2012, 01:29 PM)LowLingo Wrote: (08-11-2012, 06:55 AM)Fletch Wrote: What a Rigmarole! Just leave the steel ones on and buy some wheel trims if you must. Alloy wheels are weak and are nothing but trouble, especially ones that arn't OEM.
That is a very generic statement for a very low proportionate real world occurance.
(07-11-2012, 11:19 PM)Merlecollins Wrote: I'm really confused now...
So '80H' are no good for vans then??
And how do I read about van rated wheels if wheels don't have a rating?
Help...LOL
Come on now, it's really not that difficult to search Google for the information.
Typing "Tyre load ratings" into Google, this is the first result.
http://www.blackcircles.com/general/load-rating
Depending on what the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating of your van is [which will be on the VIN plate of the vehicle], you need tyres which exceed this value.
For example, the GVW Rating of my Lexus LS400 is 2247KG, the recommended minimum tyre rating is 97, a rating of 730KG per tyre. So multiply that by 4 tyres, gives a total of 2920Kg, in excess of the vehicles GVW, with a hefty safety margin on top.
You'll see on that linked page, you can input your Registration Number, and it will tell you the minimum weight and speed ratings you need.
Thats great Lowlingo and thanks very much for your patience:thumbsup:
The BC site suggests an T84 rating for my tyres, yet the ones on those alloys are H80 - is there a massive difference between the two?
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(08-11-2012, 04:46 PM)Merlecollins Wrote: The BC site suggests an T84 rating for my tyres, yet the ones on those alloys are H80 - is there a massive difference between the two?
Yep....if the required load rating for your van is 84 then a tyre with a load rating of 80, technically, makes it illegal, even if you only use your van for pleasure rather than for goods.
It's a bit like the sports car conundrum: If a sports car's manfacturer states that your car requires a 'Z' rated tyre to be driven safely at speeds of more than 140 mph then it's illegal to fit a tyre with a lesser speed rating despite the fact that the legal speed limit is 70 mph!
Personally, I would phone a wheel specialist and make absolutely sure those wheels are suitable for your van.
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The PCD is the measurement between the studs that hold the wheels onto the hub. PSA and Renault have different measurements - these wheels, if from a Kangoo will not fit a Berlingo, unless they are the universal type - you need to establish this before all else.
If so, ask the seller to look on the rim of the wheel, could be on the inside, and tell you the figures. For instance 7 x 17 ET 18
The ET is the offset figure.
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If you want the alloy wheel look without the expense, how about alloy wheel trims?
These fit a MK2 Berlingo....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251153605094?s...1423.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261092888474?s...1423.l2649
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08-11-2012, 08:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-11-2012, 08:30 PM by FeuxLingo.)
(08-11-2012, 04:46 PM)Merlecollins Wrote: Thats great Lowlingo and thanks very much for your patience:thumbsup:
The BC site suggests an T84 rating for my tyres, yet the ones on those alloys are H80 - is there a massive difference between the two?
Look, the Blackcircles link gives you all the info you need to work it out.
It tells you the weight rating of an 80 tyre, and a 84 tyre. Multiply the stated weight against each rating by the number of tyres on your vehicle, then compare the number against the GVW rating on the VIN plate of your van. If the 80 rating times 4 isn't higher your GVW then your technically breaking the law, and your insurance is invalid if you run them on your van.
Of course all this irrelevant if the bloody things wont even bolt on, so before you do anything else, or ask another question, find out what bolt pattern(s) the wheel has.
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They won't fit, kangoo pcd is 4x100, berlingo is 4x108
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