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[Engine] Another engine swap thread
#1
Hi all,

Currently running a DW8 dog.

SO....I've sourced a professionally built 1.4 TU engine from a 106 that is putting out 132 bhp.

It has stand alone management, comes with pressure regulator & uprated clutch. I'm also getting the matched 4 into 1 manifold and de-cat pipe.

What I am wondering is...

Are diesel and petrol fuel lines the same, this is from a connector point of view. If I flush them, will they plug in to the TU engine system? Am I also right in presuming that I will have to wire in and fit an in tank pump as the diesel will rely solely on the Lucas pump?

A suitable gearbox is giving me nightmares. Am I right in thinking that a gearbox from a Berlingo 1.4 will work, would think it should do as it's the same engine. And on the same vein, an engine mount should easily be found.

I'm sure there are more questions, but that's all for now!

Thanks in advance
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#2
No you need petrol fuel tank fuel pump and lines ideally, that's the easiest way to do it depending if your fuel rail is single ended or double with a return

Gearbox from a 1.4 will do but expect the diff to fall out as they were made of chocolate and standard engines are them with enthusiastic driving

From experience a 132bhp 1.4 is unlikely if I'm honest and will be a complete pig to drive as if it is actually 132bhp the cams will be fairly mental and idle will be lumpy as hell, bit of a pointless conversion if I'm honest, far better to use a 2.0 from a 206 would be better and way more reliable, it's a huge engine bay and accommodates a 3.0 v6 with ease so from my point of view start with a bigger block that will be more efficient on fuel and nicely driveable

So if you've not got it yet I'd go for something more stock for less money with more power and torque if your going to the trauma of making a new engine fit nicely... do a search for my 210bhp v6 conversion that was no more hassle than what your trying to do (different issues but still issues all the same)

I'm not trying to put you off more steer you the right way in the first instance using experience gained doing many different engine conversions on various pugs

Any questions ask or send me a pm and I'll reply with pleasure Smile
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#3
(30-10-2016, 09:13 AM)dumdum Wrote:  No you need petrol fuel tank fuel pump and lines ideally, that's the easiest way to do it depending if your fuel rail is single ended or double with a return

Gearbox from a 1.4 will do but expect the diff to fall out as they were made of chocolate and standard engines are them with enthusiastic driving

From experience a 132bhp 1.4 is unlikely if I'm honest and will be a complete pig to drive as if it is actually 132bhp the cams will be fairly mental and idle will be lumpy as hell, bit of a pointless conversion if I'm honest, far better to use a 2.0 from a 206 would be better and way more reliable, it's a huge engine bay and accommodates a 3.0 v6 with ease so from my point of view start with a bigger block that will be more efficient on fuel and nicely driveable

So if you've not got it yet I'd go for something more stock for less money with more power and torque if your going to the trauma of making a new engine fit nicely... do a search for my 210bhp v6 conversion that was no more hassle than what your trying to do (different issues but still issues all the same)

I'm not trying to put you off more steer you the right way in the first instance using experience gained doing many different engine conversions on various pugs

Any questions ask or send me a pm and I'll reply with pleasure Smile



 
See, I had originally thought about the 206 180 bhp engine. But the reason I went for the tu is that it was an engine used in the Berlingo. There for mounts, a gearbox that fits and lots of other stuff are easily available and bolt on. Whereas the new engine just ain't!

Can you tell me otherwise? I mean, it would be great to have someone tell me exactly what's needed, but if that was an easily compiled list, everyone would be doing it lol.

I'd love to have a powerful, standard engine that's easy to drive and reliable. But it seems a shed load of work
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#4
wheres the 1.4 from bud as it's doable getting that power but a stretch without spending thousands if I'm honest and a 1.6 gti had similar power as standard and 150isg bhp is doable with cams and standard management...

They did a 1.8 in berlingos so that's be a more driveable setup out of the box... but rarer

The 3.0 v6 was fun and presented a fair few challenges... for example cable gear shift, hydraulic clutch conversion, engine mount, driveshafts and speedo were just a few to mention, but the buzz from blowing random cars away in a van was awesome, and making it factory looking was a challenge in itself Smile
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#5
I did overcome all the above with factory bits in the main apart from speedo, although if you have abs even that's doable Smile
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#6
Very interesting! I'll pm you, deffo sounds like a wiser route to take.
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#7
(30-10-2016, 11:35 AM)dumdum Wrote:  wheres the 1.4 from bud as it's doable getting that power but a stretch without spending thousands if I'm honest and a 1.6 gti had similar power as standard and 150isg bhp is doable with cams and standard management...

They did a 1.8 in berlingos so that's be a more driveable setup out of the box... but rarer

The 3.0 v6 was fun and presented a fair few challenges... for example cable gear shift, hydraulic clutch conversion, engine mount, driveshafts and speedo were just a few to mention, but the buzz from blowing random cars away in a van was awesome, and making it factory looking was a challenge in itself Smile

Just been looking at the build thread, god that's impressive but whaaaaat too much work for my limited time (1yo and we both work opposing shifts). Those wheels tho!!!! 406 wheels?

The 1.4 was built by Falkland performance and there are receipts for £3500. It pulls from 2500 rpm. This was a major point for me as it'll be my daily and I didn't want a motor that was dead until 4k. 

I've found a matching van box, I believe theyre similar ratios to 205gti? Maybe someone can confirm?
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#8
Yes 406 coupe 16x7et15 steelies

I'd still be sceptical about the power output and drivability of that engine if I'm honest... not saying it's not doable, but that much power usually comes at the cost of reliability and or drivability and people selling stuff have a funny way of 'selling' things if you follow
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#9
I deffo follow! Just seems my easiest 'bolt on'ish option. I'm taking a gamble I know....time will tell I guess. If I had a 180 engine to look at and suss what was involved I'd look at that route, but without that or anyone who has done it to tell me more I'm forced to take the more known path.

Given all the time in the world, it would be a different story
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#10
Actually a 130bhp 1.6 16v 106 gti engine to a berlingo van would be a standard engine and is an engine that's readily available and easily tuneable now I've thought about it a bit more...
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