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Hi, i have a berlingo 2.0hdi (04) that won't start . The problem began after the crank pulley failed , the mrs was driving the car and said there was a burning rubber smell and the car was juddering .She managed to get the car home when i checked  the crank pulley had come apart causing damaged to the cambelt belt cover and cambelt, luckily the cambelt was still intact but when i checked the timing it looked liked it had jumped a tooth. I checked fault codes with a cheap ob2 reader and it brought up P0016 Camshaft Position Correlation Bank 1 Sensor A . i put a new cambelt,crank pulley and cam cover on engine is all timed up as it should be but now car won't start.
The car will crank over ok but engine light is on and centre display is coming up as eco-mode, i have reset the BSI many times checked the engine timing again and checked with reader again and no fault codes checked wiring fuses conections.
After a week of trying to find the fault i have now invested in a Lexia 3 to try and find the problem, its has brought up a problem with the BSI and (communication fault on the data wire with engine relay unit) is the engine relay in the BSI ? the only relay's i can find are the pre heating system ones by the battery tray. Huh

Any advice on the problem would be great
Many thanks in advance.
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Check out this thread : http://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-14315.html


Best regards,
brajomobil
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Thank you brajomobil for the info, i've checked the timing a few times now and followed the instructions for the setting of the the crank sprocket. I still get the same problem engine light on, eco-mode on central display engine cranks over but will not fire up. I've done a global diagnostic on the lexia it shows fault with bsi (permenant fault) communication fault on the data wire with engine relay unit. I've visibly checked the bsi and bsm units inside and cant find any water/ damp damage both look in good nick, checked/cleaned all fuses conections all seem ok. I'm begining to to run out of ideas, i will check the crank sensor and cam sensor the crank sensor is on the flywheel side so would'nt have got damaged. Trying to find the engine relay or any wiring diagrams is a nightmare, i will just keep digging untill hopefully will sort the problem.
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If you have BSI communication fault then that is your problem with non start.
BSI and engine ECU are not communicating and you can't start engine.
You have to check wires between them. There is a quick way to test wires.
Just find another BSI from another 2.0HDI and plug it in. If wires are ok that error
will not be there. You will have multiple other errors but at least you will know
that BSI and engine ECU is communicating OK.

I am sorry I just don't see how it is related to crank pulley replacement ?!

Best regards,
brajomobil
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(14-02-2017, 09:15 PM)bobflem Wrote:  Trying to find the engine relay or any wiring diagrams is a nightmare, i will just keep digging untill hopefully will sort the problem.

The wiring diagrams are in a software package called SEDRE. It's fairly easy to find online, but a faff to install. It was written for WinXP so prefers that OS either directly or on a PC with a later OS & VM. Instructions and guidance are also fairly widespread.
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Unless you have the crank sensor behind the front pulley and it got damaged
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Thanks guys for the replies, it is a bit odd how the bsi problem has happened the same time as the crank pulley problem maybe i've just been unlucky. Will try and get hold of another bsi from the breakers , there's a breakers not far from me that sell the parts dirt cheap so may be worth a go.
Will also have a look the SEDRE software and try to trace any wiring problems

Thanks again for the help any other ideas would be gratefully received.

Wiil keep you updated.
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Just an update on problem , i've managed to pick up a bsi unit not the same number but all fittings the same and 2 bsm units that are the same number as my one, £5 the lot so well worth the trip. Tried the bsi but exactly the same problem, cleared codes but still coming up with communication fault on the data wire with engine relay unit(permanent fault). I also changed the bsm unit still the same, so i take it could be a break in a wire somewhere causing the problem?

Many thanks
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Did you check the crank pos sensor?
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(15-02-2017, 09:17 PM)bobflem Wrote:  Just an update on problem , i've managed to pick up a bsi unit not the same number but all fittings the same and 2 bsm units that are the same number as my one, £5 the lot so well worth the trip. Tried the bsi but exactly the same problem, cleared codes but still coming up with communication fault on the data wire with engine relay unit(permanent fault). I also changed the bsm unit still the same, so i take it could be a break in a wire somewhere causing the problem?

Many thanks

Reading other forum found similar problem and possible solution:
http://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/arc...19531.html

See last post: there was desoldered pins to GND in ECU, try to put GND at the ECU housing, will work if there is a problem ...

Maybe your engine ECU is not getting power. Try to see if there is 12v getting to ECU.
Also try to connect GND to ECU housing like suggested in above link.

If the above don't give success than you will have to check CAN lines from engine ECU to BSI

Best regards,
brajomobil
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