14 plate 1.6hdi xtr 90bhp, is it a good engine?

[Toomy nichols]

Hi to all, my names tommy and im new to the forum? 

I have a question for you all, is the xtr 1.6hdi diesel on a 14 plate(90bhp) a good engine and model to have ? As im due to buy this motor on friday... ive herd a few talk about oil changes having to be done perfectly and in a certain way, and even a engine flush is advisable? Due to its easy to damage the turbo on this model, Any advise on this model or what you think is the best model of the newer breed? And opinions? Anyone welcome to chip and have a bit crack?

[geoff]

It is a good engine all you have to do is change the oil and filter at correct intervals, some folks do this early for peace of mind .... and of course use the correct engine oil !!

Any sort of " oh that'll do it will be ok oil is just oil " mindset will bite you in the bum - modern high performance engines need modern high performance oils.

A good car model and a good engine.

[polar]

As geoff says ^^^

remember it will have a dpf so if you only do town use you will need to get it up to speed to regen.

[geoff]

^^ Indeed I didn't mention DPF as that issue affects all makes, you need to ensure the vehicle and engine type in particular will suit your needs after all you wouldn't have a race horse pulling a plough or vica versa.

[Toomy nichols]

It is a good engine all you have to do is change the oil and filter at correct intervals, some folks do this early for peace of mind .... and of course use the correct engine oil !!

Any sort of " oh that'll do it will be ok oil is just oil " mindset will bite you in the bum - modern high performance engines need modern high performance oils.

A good car model and a good engine.

Great info and teply geoff lad? Im a mechanical engineer by trade "but" im the typr of person that would make the compents or design them, not fit or assemble them... i believe tried and tested is always the way forward, i was just wondering if you know of what gen this engine is, how long it has been in service for the berlingos and if indeed reports of it actuall going around the clock if maintained with ease...? I like the idea of getting a last year model with the last of "those" trued and tested engines, proven to be the bizz if you know what i mean... my good friend and fellow metal detectorist has a berlingo, 1.6hdi 2007, he takes us all, all over the country in it... persuing our hobby as detectorists...his berlingo on the 07 plate has done 220k up to now, and its still going like train up and down the motor way, i wonder if my new berlingo(if i buy it) will do the same, if maintained like my good friends... is the engine differant and how so? Differant engine model or... 

Be nice to know the production run of the 1.6hdi xtr 14 plate, how long its been in service? 

Its never that will do with me geoff, i suspect im like you that department given my trade:-) im fully intent on giving it a good service on a yearly basis, at my local citeron garage by the citeron them selfs, ill perhaps give it more frequent services the more miles its done, when she gets a bit older and worn down a bit:-P and needs a bit more help... 
Sorry for babblinging on here?Lol

[Toomy nichols]

As geoff says ^^^

remember it will have a dpf so if you only do town use you will need to get it up to speed to regen.

Hi polar? Whats the dpf? Diesel particulated filter? So getting it up to motor way speed for a good spell is advisable you would say? Does that keep it non clogged and flowing Right?

[Toomy nichols]

^^ Indeed I didn't mention DPF as that issue affects all makes, you need to ensure the vehicle and engine type in particular will suit your needs after all you wouldn't have a race horse pulling a plough or vica versa.

So would you say its better for long distance drivers or? The DPF? How often does it need changed? On a yearly basis? Id say i do about 15k a year, half motor way miles the other half around the doors yes, and certain times long hauls down south for detecting adventures...lol should i know anything about the dpf? Any advice on what not to do and what to look out for ?

[polar]

yes all diesels as far as i am aware have a DPF now - yes if you get down the motorway once a week you will be fine as you need a sustained speed of say 50 mph for the system to regen the DPF. The DPF's dont need changing as often as the early ones (not sure if they ever need changing anymore if given chance to regen).

[geoff]

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Im a mechanical engineer by trade
i was just wondering if you know of what gen this engine is, how long it has been in service for the berlingos and if indeed reports of it actuall going around the clock if maintained with ease...?
i wonder if my new berlingo(if i buy it) will do the same, if maintained like my good friends... is the engine differant and how so? Differant engine model or... 

Be nice to know the production run of the 1.6hdi xtr 14 plate, how long its been in service? 
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I've been in Mech and Prod Eng all my working life pretty much.

I no expert but I believe the 1.6 Hdi came in around 2005 ( the 2.0 Hdi may have been a forerunner ? )
and yes the engine will go aound the clock with ease if looked after.
Your friends engine is an earlier relative of your potential Berlingo and any engine niggles have been ironed out since around 2007 / 08 roughly.
Earlier engines had talk of turbo failures - Citroen upped the spec of the engine oil as a result also many failures were due to oil neglect by owners so essentially a very good engine nevertheless.
The later engines eg 2014 are different in that they are 8 valve heads rather than the 16 valve of the earlier models other than that it is pretty much the same.

Many here myself included will change the engine oil ( both early and later models ) at an increased interval to the Citroen schedule and feel it is worth it believing oil is cheaper than new metal. Maybe we worry too much ?
I tend to think that as diesels are dirty engines internally compared to petrol, the sump size is small, the engine has to work extremely hard to produce high levels of power and torque and with service mileage intervals forever going upwards it deserves plenty of fresh oil, well they do want us to buy new cars don't they !

DPF - yes diesel particulate filter ... which catches the soot particles and stores them ... after a while the differential pressure sensors detect partial blockage and sets the regeneration proceedure into motion .. here the engine has to run at an elevated speed eg fast open road for a prolonged period and the DPF is allowed to heat up substantially to burn off the soot into even finer particles. Some models have an additive tank which helps with this sort of proceedure ( eloys / urea ).
So if you do lots of local popping to the shops, just going to post a letter etc etc and hardly ever go on the open road the DPF system will eventually fail however if you do plenty of mixed running with open roads and a bit of speed mixed in then you'll be fine with DPF " stuff ".

So I'm not an expert and the above is just an impression of the state of things that I'm trying to convey, it isn't a definitive tome or technical manual exposition but is I believe essentially correct.

Is it of any help ? Hopefully.