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[Steering & Suspension] Nearside Inner Tie Rod End
#1
I need to remove the nearside inner tie rod to replace the steering rack gaiter on that side. This has sort of been done before (https://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-131...er+tie+rod) but I'm trying to understand the situation before I spend more money on tools.

I've cut the outer boot off so I can see the inner tie rod end, and I've disconnected the power steering ram. I've seen that the best way of getting the tie rod end off is to buy a special tool for that purpose, which is fine, but I can't work out what's supposed to be turning against what. There are no flats that I can see. Do I just need a tool that grips the round part? One of the eBay items mentioned in the thread linked above says it "grips circular fixing nuts as well as hex nuts." (Though I don't understand why you'd design a part that needs to be turned not to have flats on it.)

Alternatively, can the bit that attaches to the power steering ram be used to turn it? Or is that a separate part?

It's annoying how all the online guides to removing inner tie rod ends say to remove the gaiter first, which is exactly the bit I'm trying to do!

BTW, when did we start calling them "tie" rods? I though we called them track rods and only the yanks called them tie rods?

   


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#2
Hi - not done this on a Berlingo (yet) but plenty other cars - you need something that can grip onto the round part of the inner tie rod where it is attached to the outer end of the rack (some tie rods have flats on the round bit that help - others don't). You don't need to lock the threaded bit on the rack as that stays put by itself.

I use a Stillson wrench for the job - sometimes you cannot get to the inner end of the inner tie rod with those but you can get a purchase on the 'rod' which (again sometimes) may have flats on it.
Our cars  2008 1.6  HDi 92 Berlingo (His) RIP 2019
              2008 1.6  HDi 110 Mini (Hers)
              2008 1.6  HDi 143 Mini (His)  

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#3
The bit I'm not quite sure about is exactly which bit I need to grip on. I think it's the domed "socket" of the ball joint, visible to the left of the picture attached above.

I've tried to get a Stillson on it, but there's not quite enough room for it.

I've ordered a tool for it which should be able to grip it and be the right size. It should be here tomorrow (thanks Amazon Prime) so we'll see.
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#4
The Neilsen 35-45mm tool arrived today. About 5 minutes later, the tie rod and inner tie rod end were off.

Quite an expensive tool for a single job, but very good at what it does and no alternative.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00A9R25J8/r...41_TE_dp_1
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#5
Hi, 

 Did mine the other day.inner and outer,  vague steering gave it away,
 I used a tap spanner like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Monument-345v-A...ap+spanner too get in there and stillsons to turn using 20 stone of torque.
bit of a game getting gaiters to stay in place whilst strapping especially with grease on hands but saved a few quid! Tracking checked and adjusted by local garage for £48 seemed reasonable

NB. i would buy the proper tool like yours if doing it again!
'If You're Not Living On The Edge, You're Taking Up Too Much Room.'
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#6
Well done for doing it without the tool. Not sure I'd ever have managed it!
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(06-08-2017, 05:09 PM)terryd999 Wrote:   Tracking checked and adjusted by local garage for £48 seemed reasonable


 I use National Tyres as they track the front for £15 - bargain !

You'll need to print off a voucher and take it in with you to claim their 50% discount

https://www.national.co.uk/download-vouc...Alignment/
2007 M59 1.6 HDi 

Serieal Berlingo owner  Heart Heart Heart
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#8
(06-08-2017, 05:09 PM)terryd999 Wrote:  NB. i would buy the proper tool like yours if doing it again!

Me too - at that price it compares to the two sets of Stillsons I bought (once upon a time) to do my Laguna - OK so I've used the wrenches for other stuff too but £26.99 is too bad (especially as on the Laguna you have to reach over and down the back of the engine and get about 1/32 of a turn on each movement of the wrench).

Funnily enough - used National Tyres in Newton Abbot for the tracking on that job - shame the nearest branch to here is 32 miles away....
Our cars  2008 1.6  HDi 92 Berlingo (His) RIP 2019
              2008 1.6  HDi 110 Mini (Hers)
              2008 1.6  HDi 143 Mini (His)  

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(06-08-2017, 08:02 PM)geoff Wrote:  
(06-08-2017, 05:09 PM)terryd999 Wrote:   Tracking checked and adjusted by local garage for £48 seemed reasonable


 I use National Tyres as they track the front for £15 - bargain !

You'll need to print off a voucher and take it in with you to claim their 50% discount

https://www.national.co.uk/download-vouc...Alignment/

Cheers for that, I may well use that. Annoyingly, I had the tracking done about a month ago when I had a pair of new tyres. Local garage charged about £25, but that was at the same time as the tyres. £48 seems a bit steep!
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#10
To revive old thread.

I have LHD berlingo. And changed yesterday both rubber gaiter.
MOT failure was the case.
To change Left side , undo joint on disk side, unscrew joint and
rubber slides over in a breeze. Just use a lot of silicone oil. 15 min job.

To change right side, undo joint on disk side, undo one bolt on hydraulic
cylinder, and go over joint . At first you will say no way it goes over
that pointy object , but it does. Just use a lot of silicone oil and use
only your hands to get rubber over that bolt. It took me almost
one hour to get it over there. Sorry I don't have pic to show
you how stretchy the rubber was. It is possible don't give up.

Best regards,
brajomobil
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