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[Engine] Timing belt failure!!!!!
#1
2003, 2.0 Hdi Multispace, 162kmiles.
Hi all.
Unfortunately seems the timing belt on my Bingo is not turning camshaft!
Car was being driven at about 60mph by my missus, when she heard a 'noise' and car lost power. We had it recovered home (using Autoaid (recommended, see Money Saving Expert website).

It turned over OK, if anything a bit too easily. No sign of it firing. removed oil cap and camshaft doesn't move when engine cranked. Auxilliary belt moves. Opened timing belt cover a bit and can see belt, and it doesn't move when cranked.

Belt and water pump were changed at 110k miles, so about 50k miles ago. 

Some questions:
Bearing in mind the belt change interval is 100k miles, do you think I should go back to the garage that fitted it and get them to sort it with no cost to me? On the receipt it says parts are guaranteed for 12 months. So I guess they would argue no.

With the 2.0 engine, is it possible for the pistons to not fit the valves when the belt breaks?

Assuming valves and pistons have clashed, would it require just top end (head, valves) repair, or do you think the pistons or con rods would be damaged?

Missus would like to get it repaired, as we have had it from new and it's still the perfect car for us and our dogs.
Thanks in advance.
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#2
If the valves and pistons have clashed, you can expect to add the pistons and con rods to the list, yes. Expect to also swap the big end con rod bearings(half-circle shells).
The big question is if it has damaged the top itself. Then you're up the creek, or just about there.

If it's an interference engine you're really looking at a full engine rebuild.
(This is doable at home if you have tools, space, patience and the Gospel of St. Haynes)

I'd borrow a Boroscope somewhere, remove an injector and take a peek at the pistons.
(actually, they're not all that expensive, and they're fun toys... I have one... or two... )
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#3
How long ago did the garage change the belt, is the warranty mileage limited?
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#4
5 years ago. No mention of mileage warranty

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#5
Thanks Gadgetman, i think! Whats an interference engine? No chance of me doing work. It could end up being scrapped, as its not worth much. Shame as kind of attached to the old girl.

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Been reading up on 2.0 HDi timing belt failures. Seems rockers are designed to fail to save you valves and pistons. Hope there is some truth in this.

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#7
After 5 years & 50k miles, I doubt you'll get any cover from the garage that did your cambelt. Is the belt still intact? Just wondering if something else has failed, for example one of the pulleys.
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#8
Only prised the cover open a bit. Can see belt. Cant tell if still under tension. Decided to get gsrage to look at it. Agree with you that it would be hard to claim. But what do we do? Change belt at 25k miles!

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#9
You could get it independently inspected by an engineer, i suspect their verdict will be premature failure . You will be able to use his report in the small claims court.

The rockers are designed to break and save further damage to the engine - replacing the broken rockers should do the trick.
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(20-09-2017, 09:48 PM)polar Wrote:  You could get it independently inspected by an engineer, i suspect their verdict will be premature failure . You will be able to use his report in the small claims court.

The rockers are designed to break and save further damage to the engine - replacing the broken rockers should do the trick.

Don't really want my first post in here to annoy anyone but wondering what you'd expect. A new Berlingo comes with a 3 year 60k warranty. If this was a new car when the belt was fresh you'd be out of warranty now as its over the three years!

If they had to give a warranty for the kind of terms your stating it would cost you a shed load to get a belt done.

Likewise, they're only recommended times, even though the belt is kevlar it will degrade with age. I'd even guess that genuine parts weren't used at this point and was the water pump done as well?

The rockers tend to snap so i'd source a head of a car I could verify the miles of.
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