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Berlingo L1 van users help please!
#61
Best of luck, your logic sounds spot-on. I really don't see a fundamental difference between the two models, as neither was derived from a car - they were both clean-sheet designs based on a car platform, i.e. they use a lot of the mechanicals but none of the body panels. The fact that some of either model have been registered as CDVs proves their own statement that a CDV does NOT have to be derived from a car - illogical as it seems, that's how it is.

I think quite a few people will owe you a pint or ten if you do get them to amend the V5 for qualifying models... but I reckon they'll be looking for excuses not to do this as it would involve lots of work, including reissuing of thousands of V5s and refunds of lots of speeding fines. Whether you have a good logical case might get tripped up by the forces of politics.
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#62
(12-01-2018, 04:50 PM)doofer Wrote:  Best of luck, your logic sounds spot-on.  I really don't see a fundamental difference between the two models, as neither was derived from a car - they were both clean-sheet designs based on a car platform, i.e. they use a lot of the mechanicals but none of the body panels.  The fact that some of either model have been registered as CDVs proves their own statement that a CDV does NOT have to be derived from a car - illogical as it seems, that's how it is.

I think quite a few people will owe you a pint or ten if you do get them to amend the V5 for qualifying models... but I reckon they'll be looking for excuses not to do this as it would involve lots of work, including reissuing of thousands of V5s and refunds of lots of speeding fines.  Whether you have a good logical case might get tripped up by the forces of politics.

Thanks for your input and help on this Doofer. We’ll see what happens, but like you, I don’t think common sense will prevail. I was in 2 minds as to how to proceed. I even carried the conditional offer around with me all week and I was actually working round the corner from Glasgow Sheriff Court on Friday afternoon, the last day that I could pay it! I was so tempted to just give in and go and pay it but something made me decide to just go for it and give me a chance to put my point of view over about how ridiculous the whole situation is.
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#63
I suspect you'd be on thin ice if, by the time it comes to court, DVLA are still thinking about it. Really, you need them to have amended your V5 before your court date. I doubt that magistrates are going to accept a defence of it being wrongly registered - they're more likely to just say that if it's registered as a LCV then the fine applies as it's probably beyond their powers to say that they're going to ignore the apparent facts and rules in front of them. On the face of it, you were driving a van beyond the speed limit for a van, so I doubt that they're going to apply any sort of thought beyond that.

You might be able to pay then reclaim it if they accept that the original classification was wrong.

If you can't get any sensible discussion from DVLA then perhaps contact your MP - this sort of conflict between the state and an individual is exactly what their job is to help with.

I really do think that logic is on your side, especially as you now know that Berlingos have been registered as CDVs in the past. Just keep throwing those pebbles at Goliath.
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#64
Very interesting thread, thank you.  Please keep us all updated.

Hypothetical question, if a single rear seat was fitted along with side windows in the back of our vans.....would we be able to change the taxation class and or body type on the V5?  If so would this change the amount of tax we're charged? Mines a 2018 registered van and it's @ £240/year.

Info on these links:
https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-detail...ertificate
https://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-tax-class

Thanks

Dan
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#65
I don't see why not, but fitting a back seat to a van would be a big job. You'd presumably need some kind of single vehicle approval/MOT, so there would be a lot of boxes to tick. Honestly, the best way would be to just buy a Multispace and take the back seats out - this is exactly what I do as ours doubles as our everyday car and the delivery van for my business.

I pay £30/year VED, dirt cheap insurance (including business use), can drive at 70 on a dual carriageway (even though its GVW is >2t), and my business can pay me 45p/mile whenever I drive on business.

Multispaces cost almost nothing more than vans from what I've seen (after adding VAT onto the van prices), and you get much more besides the seats and windows, especially the sound-proofing in the back.

The only downsides are no bulkhead (load carefully or make something if it's an issue), and the load bay is carpeted. I bought a full floor custom rubber mat, but don't carry anything too dirty anyway. Earlier base models had a plastic floor, not sure about the current one - they're probably all carpeted. Plus running costs have to be paid by me rather than the business (but I get the 45p/mile so it's fine).
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