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[Transmission] Clutch feels stiff and is dragging = cable ????
#1
Hi all,

2005 2.0Ltr HDi

In the last few weeks my clutch is feeling a bit heavy and stiff.
It has, for the 12,000 miles I've owned it, always "bitten" very low.
It has started "dragging" a bit (note, dragging, not slipping).

I'm guessing my car will have the auto adjusting cable?

Do the above symptoms sound to you like a dodgy cable that needs replacing? (or  something more expensive Angry )
Regards to all,
John - (2005 2.0HDi with Modutop roof, mini camper).



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#2
I thought the 2.0hdi's were hydraulic clutches - normally if a hydraulic clutch is getting stiff it means the clutch may well be on its last legs.
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#3
My 2004 2.0 hdi has a cable operated clutch
- not hydraulic ....
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#4
Thanks for that never released some were cable operated - in that case could be the cable then try lubricating it first.
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#5
I've got a heavy clutch pedal on a 2.0hdi compared to the old 1.9d. They do wear and cut a groove into the inner cable, lubricating doesn't help because of the groove.

Going to try a new cable in it , should do the trick as a new clutch was fitted 15,000 mls ago.
If no better I'll look at the clutch lever at the g/box end, possible for them to stick slightly at the bottom of the shaft.
2020 Rifter 1.5 allure
2010 B9 red XTR w a v. 
2001 1.9d DW8B white  Berlingo  
2005 2.l green Berlingo
2001 1.9d DW8B white  Berlingo 
berlingo 1.4 red multispace
1993 xud 1.9 red partner
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(26-01-2018, 06:41 PM)polar Wrote:  I thought the 2.0hdi's were hydraulic clutches - normally if a hydraulic clutch is getting stiff it means the clutch may well be on its last legs.

Not seen a hydraulic 2.0hdi, we looked at loads and they were all cable. Ours has always been heavy but works fine and now we are used to it it doesn't bother us. Good exercise in traffic as well. Smile
So where does this bit go then ?
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#7
AFAIK your 2.0 will have an auto adjusting cable. Mine certainly has a cable & I assume it's auto adjusting. There's a fair bit of info about the cable in various forums, seems that the auto adjustment is done by making the cable sleeve longer when the cable inner allows. Maybe there's some slack on the cable outer that's being held tight on part of the routing between the adjuster & the clutch end of the cable?
This link has the correct routing, at least in the mind of B&B.
https://www.techtips.ie/Borg-and-Beck/au...-96-05.pdf
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#8
This relates to the 1.9D but should be relevent to you .....

Have a look at this posting especially the remark by ajcommercial

https://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-152...utch+cable

Some years back I also wrote ..

" Cables from new have Teflon liners for smooth operation and freedom from maintenance .... yippee !!

Unfortunately the liners wear over time and you either replace with new or lubricate.

When I got my van 60k miles ago the clutch cable was almost seized it seemed so not wanting to spend I removed it, flushed with diesel and then lubed it with oil, the auto adjuster I lubed with moly grease ( CV joint grease ).

I had an immediate improvement - revelation moment - and more importantly the benefits have maintained themselves over the last 60k "

I'm also an advocate of re-routing the cable from the standard to that with the smoothest and least contorted path, on top of / behind the engine / along and in front of the bttery works well on a 1.9D
2007 M59 1.6 HDi 

Serieal Berlingo owner  Heart Heart Heart
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#9
Thanks for the input folks Smile 

I have booked it in to a local garage, for a look only at this stage. I am too old to be climbing about under a modern(ish) car at this time of year. I have printed out some of the info you guys have given, plus the "re-route" suggestions linked to by cancunia (thanks mate).

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I know that these cars generally have a heavy clutch, perhaps made worse by a dodgy cable, but it was the clutch dragging that was more of a concern, and I was wondering if a dodgy cable was simply not pulling the clutch lever back far enough? (Or summat more "expensive").
Regards to all,
John - (2005 2.0HDi with Modutop roof, mini camper).



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#10
Hi
  The early models were prone to the shaft that the cable operates sticking in the bottom of the clutch housing. The lever did not draw back enough for the release bearing to clear the fingers of the clutch pressure plate. This meant the fingers were getting worn away and eventually wore through and the release bearing stuck in the pressure plate. Sad
 This = Clutch renewal time.
Those g/boxes had a rubber bung in the clutch/bell housing  where wd40 or oil could be squirted into the bottom bush, this help to cure the stickiness   Big Grin

The newer models don't suffer from this , I think.
To check, there will be movement on the lever when the cable is disconnected.

The release bearing can be sticky on the first motion shaft sleeve, depends on the make I think .
2020 Rifter 1.5 allure
2010 B9 red XTR w a v. 
2001 1.9d DW8B white  Berlingo  
2005 2.l green Berlingo
2001 1.9d DW8B white  Berlingo 
berlingo 1.4 red multispace
1993 xud 1.9 red partner
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