[Brakes] Newbie Brake Pad Changing Advice Please
#21
The pads on the 4 arm lifts most of the time are placed on the jacking points on the sills, the pads don't have slots like the jack has but the pads are larger so the spread the lifting are around the jacking point.
Maybe they swing the lift arms in and onto the edges of the front subframe and the rears are placed on the rear trailing arms / axle junction.

I've never been under a B9 berlingo so I don't know if there are other places you can use, but normally just in from the sill is the floor which isn't strong enough.

You know where to position the stands at the front, that isn't a problem so you will be able to get the whole front lifted and onto stands, just do a side at a time.

If you're using the standard jack (scissor or side lift ) that came with the car you want to get it onto the stands as soon as possible as them jacks aren't very stable,  and even if you have a stand positioned as a back up if the jack moves sideways the car could slide on the stand and cause damage.

At this rate you may have the wheels off the ground sometime in June   Big Grin


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#22
It's far too hot to do anything outside at the moment. The builders are out of the way now though, plus I've washed the drive down today so it's not covered in sand and muck any more.

So far I've spent many times longer pondering about it than most take to change them.

I'm awaiting delivery of the ice hockey pucks then will gather my tools ready for the operation. Big hammer, crowbar, imperial spanner set and a drill, that should sort it.
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#23
(20-04-2018, 05:29 PM)doofer Wrote:  It's far too hot to do anything outside at the moment.  The builders are out of the way now though, plus I've washed the drive down today so it's not covered in sand and muck any more.

So far I've spent many times longer pondering about it than most take to change them.

I'm awaiting delivery of the ice hockey pucks then will gather my tools ready for the operation.  Big hammer, crowbar, imperial spanner set and a drill, that should sort it.

Hang on doofer ....
You have forgotten the mug of tea Smile
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#24
I anticipate this thread turning into an epic once you start the job   Big Grin  Wink  


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#25
(20-04-2018, 05:47 PM)Trevor Wrote:  Hang on doofer ....
You have forgotten the mug of tea Smile

A can of Tennents Super actually, just to aid concentration.
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#26
(16-04-2018, 09:33 PM)geoff Wrote:  ^^^ I must be reading this wrong .... £180 for new pads ????


Front discs, pads, fluid change and Labour. Discs had a good size lip on them so I told him to change them. My van would have had the fluid changed on this service but I was already on 60k when I had the brakes done.


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#27
Ah right, that makes more sense.

The ice hockey pucks have arrived so no more excuses for me. It looks like it might rain though, so unfortunately can't do it today.
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#28
Well the front pads are done and the squeaking and squealing has stopped. The front pads were just over half worn, so I'm guessing that the backs will be a long way off needing changing. I will take the back wheels off to look at them but I'm not planning to do anything other than look. I'll give my account of the job for any other potential newbies thinking of doing the same...

My Silverline axle stands were a useless U shape so I just hackwsawed off the sides of the U then used the bench grinder to grind them down into a flat surface. It's still a bit of a weird profile though, as it's not a solid lump so I'll put some flat-topped stands on the santa list. The ice hockey pucks were absolutely excellent though, although they got a bit indented as the tops of my stands are a bit of a weird shape but they'll be perfect with flat topped stands.

The points for the stands were obvious when I came to looking at it. There's a bit that sticks down lower, it's two chunky plates thick and it was shiny from being used by the garage. It's about a foot behind the jacking point, you really can't miss it. It doesn't seem to be there at all on the photo I posted from the Haynes manual, so ignore that picture and just look instead. To get it high enough for the stand on its lowest setting I had to put a lump of 4x2 wood under the jack (laying flat to give a 2" rise, not stood on edge which would be dangerous). This also stops the jack digging into the driveway.

There was about a 2mm lip around the inner and outer edges of all disc surfaces. It's possible that this was the cause of the noise - perhaps the pads were rubbing on the edges and vibrating due to the absence of any grease. I did grind off the lip on the outer disc of the noisy side (I know some people think it's a terrible idea), but then realised that I couldn't do it safely or accurately on the back of the disc. I did file a small bevel on the face of the pads - I don't know whether this is a good or bad idea really though, as this could make the lip worse as it's now not getting ground down at the edges for a while until the pads wear down.

It would seem that discs last about 1.5 sets of pads these days, so after replacing my pads when they weren't really due I should be on course for new pads and discs when these pads get worn down. My discs have clearly worn, but are a long way off the wear indicator (the slot on the edge, I've learnt is the marker).

I found that after I shut the bleed valve, pushing on its rubber cap made some fluid ooze out of the screwthreads. I thought this was a leak, but I think it's because the seal is at the base of the tube and when the cap is pushed on it seals before it's fully home so it pushes air through it as it gets pushed on. I had a really good look at it after pumping up with the pedal and it remained dry so all appears to be well.

When I went for my test drive I got an awful rumbling noise as I swerved off the drive, and wondered whether I'd done something terrible. Then I remembered that it also did this after its MOT, and I read that this is what happens after the steering's been moved with the ignition off - something to do with the power steering fluid. So I went to an empty car park and zig-zagged for a bit and I think it's now stopped doing it.

So we're currently braking gently for 200 miles or so but mostly enjoying not having to put up with the noise. It was irritating, but I was mainly worried it was a hazard. It seems it wasn't a safety issue but it's definitely good to have checked it and know it's all fine now.

I got a shower of iron dust on the tarmac driveway, which I swept up but the invisible remnants have now turned a lovely orangey brown today after I tried swilling it off yesterday. So I'll try the power washer tomorrow, but it's probably now stained. I'm not that bothered, it blends with all the other marks really, but it would be an issue for anyone with a smarter drive. I'll be using some kind of big tray next time, instead of the sheet of cardboard I used this time - I think it fell off the edges of it.

It did take me most of the day, but that included fixing the bench grinder, sawing and grinding the stands, washing the wheel trims and wheels, working things out and wondering why I'd started it. Yesterday I'd have said never again, but really it would be a tenth of the stress the next time so I probably would do it again. I might chicken out next time if it needs discs too, I'll make my mind up in lots of years when it needs doing next and also depending on how nice the driveway is where we live at that time. At the very least, I've learnt how to put it on stands (at the front anyway) which should be a useful thing to know in future.

Thank you to all who helped, very much appreciated. Perhaps my amateurish ramblings may be of use to someone else one day.
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#29
Good write up and good to hear you have the fronts done with no real problems.

The squeaking noise you had would probably have been down to the lip on the disc, but its good to know that there was nothing else causing it.

The rust staining will weather off the drive after a while, I've had that before after grinding.

Changing the discs isn't much more of a job than what you have already done, just the caliper carrier to remove then the disc, so I would say you would be able to do that no problem when the time comes.


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#30
Disc grinding works well never not had access though ?

You could use a 2 LB hammer to carefully " chamfer " the edge if no access or no grinder the lip just breaks off, feel for an even surface with a finger.
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