20-10-2020, 07:48 PM
Hi all. Firstly, this probably applies to all Berlingos not just the M59; other than repeating a long thread I can't see a simple way of linking this to all models. Can someone help out with that please?
For reasons which follow at the end, I wanted to find out what variants of the com2000 steering column switch units there are. I've often seen people say something like 'there are several, com2000 com2001 com2002 com2003 etc.' but they don't give any details.
I got nowhere with most parts websites because they are geared up to search for parts for a particular car, and once you get a part up you can't then search sideways to find out what other types of that part are available and what other car models they fit.
I've now found a French parts site which does allow you to search by part name such as "com2000", and it helpfully gives a great deal of information on each of a wide range of units, both OEM and Delphi replacements.
https://eurofrance24.com/search/com2000
A quick test shows that it would be possible to extract the data on the types they have in stock into Excel and make a comprehensive list which might be a useful reference for forum members in the future. Each item also has several large scale photos, which would also be invaluable for obvious reasons.
To give an idea of the scale of the project, the number of results I got for COM20xx units are as follows:
com2000 60 items – some seem to also be com2003?
com2001 x
com2002 46 items
com2003 32 items – some seem to also be com2000?
com2004 x
com2005 104 items
com2006 x
com2007 x
com2008 32 items
com2009 x
com2010 x
...I didn't go any higher.
Here's one com2000 unit in all its gory detail - probably the most useful one for this forum (tho cheaper versions are also there!):
https://eurofrance24.com/light-control-n...668xt.html
SKU
psa6242f2
Part number
96659939XT COM2000
Vehicle manufacturer part number
6242F2 6239GJ PSA 6239JS PSA 6239Q1 PSA 6239Q3 PSA 6239QG PSA 6239QK PSA 6239QW PSA 6242.F0 PSA 6242.F2 PSA 96605668XT
Technical condition
new
Part name
light and indicator control
Warranty
12 mths
Brand
Citroen, Peugeot
Model
AX, Berlingo 1, Berlingo 2, BX, C1, C15, C2 2003-2009, C25, C3 2002-2009, C4 2004-2010, C4 Picasso 2006-2013, C5 2001-2008, C8, Evasion, Jumper 1994-2006, Jumper 2006, Jumpy 1995-2007, Saxo, Xantia, XM, Xsara, Bipper, Boxer 1994-2006, Boxer 2006, Expert, Expert 2, Partner, Partner 1, Partner 2, Peugeot J5, Rcz, Traveller, 1007, 106, 107, 108, 2008, 205, 206, 207, 208, 3008, 3008 2, 301, 305, 306, 307, 308, 308 2, 309, 4007, 4008, 405, 406, 407, 5008, 504, 505, 508, 605, 607, 806, 807
Parts manufacturer
PSA – Citroen / Peugeot
Engine
------
Halogen lamps, fog lamps front
No
Fog lamp rear
Yes
Automatic lights
No
Horn
No
On-board computer control
No
Automatic windscreen wipers
No
Radio control
No
Cruise control
No
Rear wiper control
No
Note.
Spare parts of different parameters are available for thisr model. To select a proper spare part please cite the VIN number entered in the vehicle registrationrd.Note.
...but before I do this, does such a readily accessible list already exist? Will I be wasting my time? I spent ages goggling with no luck at all, even on Delphi's own online catalogue, until I found this French site.
My reason for being interested in this is actually three reasons:
1. I have been following the threads on updating the MFD to a three-liner with external temp and trip meter; I have the temp sensor and display, but my Berlingo’s wiper stalk is unfortunately unlike others which can reportedly be ‘fixed’ with cotton bud stalks etc – my one’s whole end section is one piece of plastic so that the ‘button’ on its end is not removable alone, and when I pull the end of the switch off the stalk there is no hole to put a cotton bud stick into. So I have to replace the whole switch.
I’ve already bought a unit from a Picasso as they were reported as being swappable, and the two wiper stalks certainly look identical except for the end button, but the Picasso unit's stalks are each fixed by two Torx bolts while the photos I’ve seen of Berlingo stalks show that they are held in place by moulded plastic clips (I will put off disassembling my one until all the questions are answered and I have all the right parts ready).
2. I noticed in passing (it never occurred to me until I got into this) that my car’s audio stalk, which points to roughly 4 o’clock, might not be standard and might be an extra ordered by my car’s first owner. I’m sure my previous Berlingo didn’t have one (then: ’53 1.6 Desire, now ’53 1.4i First) but I am not 100% sure – certainly a lot of com2000 unit photos online don’t show an audio stalk, and the results in the above website bring up versions with/without it.
3. I would also love to add cruise control to my car one day (being a very spoilt truck driver), but that will have to wait until I feel a bit flush, especially when an aftermarket kit costs roughly a third of what my car is worth! So that subject had been put to bed – until I recently came across this item [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254748953895], which would seem to be a much more elegant way of adding CC controls (i.e. its switches and buttons) than the usual aftermarket options, if it would be compatible with my car, and if I could shoehorn it into its switch unit (i.e. cutting a hole in the shroud to hopefully expose a blanking piece where this stalk could be clipped in and plugged in).
As you can see, it is advertised as being okay for a Berlingo. But on searching the part number online, I find that other offerings do not include Berlingo in the list of cars it suits, for example https://uk.banggood.com/Cruise-Control-H...60173.html.
But then I noticed some com2005 units on eBay which have not two or three but four stalks [for example https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293604643053], and yes the fourth one pointing to 8 o’clock is for CC.
So now I’m wondering whether I can just do a straight swap for one of these while I set up the 3-line MFD.
Then in the dim and distant future I can add the other parts of an aftermarket CC, or maybe even OEM parts from a scrapped PSA car... and then deal with the question of whether I could use Lexia to tell the BSI that it has CC, or would have to use the aftermarket kit complete in isolation, and what display would show the CC settings.
Hopefully, a close study of the French parts website might help with com unit compatibility, at least in terms of connectors, bolt holes, etc.
Obviously a lot of potential Q's and A's here, but for the sake of the forum I thought it best just to limit my Q to a list of com200x units for now. If anyone wants to give advice on any of my three reasons, I could restart them as separate threads?
For reasons which follow at the end, I wanted to find out what variants of the com2000 steering column switch units there are. I've often seen people say something like 'there are several, com2000 com2001 com2002 com2003 etc.' but they don't give any details.
I got nowhere with most parts websites because they are geared up to search for parts for a particular car, and once you get a part up you can't then search sideways to find out what other types of that part are available and what other car models they fit.
I've now found a French parts site which does allow you to search by part name such as "com2000", and it helpfully gives a great deal of information on each of a wide range of units, both OEM and Delphi replacements.
https://eurofrance24.com/search/com2000
A quick test shows that it would be possible to extract the data on the types they have in stock into Excel and make a comprehensive list which might be a useful reference for forum members in the future. Each item also has several large scale photos, which would also be invaluable for obvious reasons.
To give an idea of the scale of the project, the number of results I got for COM20xx units are as follows:
com2000 60 items – some seem to also be com2003?
com2001 x
com2002 46 items
com2003 32 items – some seem to also be com2000?
com2004 x
com2005 104 items
com2006 x
com2007 x
com2008 32 items
com2009 x
com2010 x
...I didn't go any higher.
Here's one com2000 unit in all its gory detail - probably the most useful one for this forum (tho cheaper versions are also there!):
https://eurofrance24.com/light-control-n...668xt.html
SKU
psa6242f2
Part number
96659939XT COM2000
Vehicle manufacturer part number
6242F2 6239GJ PSA 6239JS PSA 6239Q1 PSA 6239Q3 PSA 6239QG PSA 6239QK PSA 6239QW PSA 6242.F0 PSA 6242.F2 PSA 96605668XT
Technical condition
new
Part name
light and indicator control
Warranty
12 mths
Brand
Citroen, Peugeot
Model
AX, Berlingo 1, Berlingo 2, BX, C1, C15, C2 2003-2009, C25, C3 2002-2009, C4 2004-2010, C4 Picasso 2006-2013, C5 2001-2008, C8, Evasion, Jumper 1994-2006, Jumper 2006, Jumpy 1995-2007, Saxo, Xantia, XM, Xsara, Bipper, Boxer 1994-2006, Boxer 2006, Expert, Expert 2, Partner, Partner 1, Partner 2, Peugeot J5, Rcz, Traveller, 1007, 106, 107, 108, 2008, 205, 206, 207, 208, 3008, 3008 2, 301, 305, 306, 307, 308, 308 2, 309, 4007, 4008, 405, 406, 407, 5008, 504, 505, 508, 605, 607, 806, 807
Parts manufacturer
PSA – Citroen / Peugeot
Engine
------
Halogen lamps, fog lamps front
No
Fog lamp rear
Yes
Automatic lights
No
Horn
No
On-board computer control
No
Automatic windscreen wipers
No
Radio control
No
Cruise control
No
Rear wiper control
No
Note.
Spare parts of different parameters are available for thisr model. To select a proper spare part please cite the VIN number entered in the vehicle registrationrd.Note.
...but before I do this, does such a readily accessible list already exist? Will I be wasting my time? I spent ages goggling with no luck at all, even on Delphi's own online catalogue, until I found this French site.
My reason for being interested in this is actually three reasons:
1. I have been following the threads on updating the MFD to a three-liner with external temp and trip meter; I have the temp sensor and display, but my Berlingo’s wiper stalk is unfortunately unlike others which can reportedly be ‘fixed’ with cotton bud stalks etc – my one’s whole end section is one piece of plastic so that the ‘button’ on its end is not removable alone, and when I pull the end of the switch off the stalk there is no hole to put a cotton bud stick into. So I have to replace the whole switch.
I’ve already bought a unit from a Picasso as they were reported as being swappable, and the two wiper stalks certainly look identical except for the end button, but the Picasso unit's stalks are each fixed by two Torx bolts while the photos I’ve seen of Berlingo stalks show that they are held in place by moulded plastic clips (I will put off disassembling my one until all the questions are answered and I have all the right parts ready).
2. I noticed in passing (it never occurred to me until I got into this) that my car’s audio stalk, which points to roughly 4 o’clock, might not be standard and might be an extra ordered by my car’s first owner. I’m sure my previous Berlingo didn’t have one (then: ’53 1.6 Desire, now ’53 1.4i First) but I am not 100% sure – certainly a lot of com2000 unit photos online don’t show an audio stalk, and the results in the above website bring up versions with/without it.
3. I would also love to add cruise control to my car one day (being a very spoilt truck driver), but that will have to wait until I feel a bit flush, especially when an aftermarket kit costs roughly a third of what my car is worth! So that subject had been put to bed – until I recently came across this item [https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254748953895], which would seem to be a much more elegant way of adding CC controls (i.e. its switches and buttons) than the usual aftermarket options, if it would be compatible with my car, and if I could shoehorn it into its switch unit (i.e. cutting a hole in the shroud to hopefully expose a blanking piece where this stalk could be clipped in and plugged in).
As you can see, it is advertised as being okay for a Berlingo. But on searching the part number online, I find that other offerings do not include Berlingo in the list of cars it suits, for example https://uk.banggood.com/Cruise-Control-H...60173.html.
But then I noticed some com2005 units on eBay which have not two or three but four stalks [for example https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293604643053], and yes the fourth one pointing to 8 o’clock is for CC.
So now I’m wondering whether I can just do a straight swap for one of these while I set up the 3-line MFD.
Then in the dim and distant future I can add the other parts of an aftermarket CC, or maybe even OEM parts from a scrapped PSA car... and then deal with the question of whether I could use Lexia to tell the BSI that it has CC, or would have to use the aftermarket kit complete in isolation, and what display would show the CC settings.
Hopefully, a close study of the French parts website might help with com unit compatibility, at least in terms of connectors, bolt holes, etc.
Obviously a lot of potential Q's and A's here, but for the sake of the forum I thought it best just to limit my Q to a list of com200x units for now. If anyone wants to give advice on any of my three reasons, I could restart them as separate threads?
53 1.4i MS MPV RIP
53 1.6 MS Desire RIP
08 C4GP 1.9 VTR+
53 1.6 MS Desire RIP
08 C4GP 1.9 VTR+
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