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Green car leasing really green?
#1
Having seen a few adverts on TV lately promoting leasing cars as being a green choice and good for the environment it got me thinking.
How can getting a new car every 3 years be green compared with running a car in my case 16 years and still going.
will an electric car still be any good after the said 16 years and 130000 miles ?
They mention electric cars in range. but what will the range be like after a few years? if its anything like my laptop it would be around half.
I am not anti electric or hybrid but being technical minded and having some commonsense it just does not seem to add up.
look forward to any feedback / discussion
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#2
Check out The Fully Charged Show on YouTube. They're a good source of info.
I spoke to a taxi driver in LA four years ago who had a Tesla - first time I'd ever seen one. He said there were plenty of Toyota Prius in California that have been used as taxis for over ten years that are still working fine every day. He said they get shonky (his word, not mine) at 250k miles.
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(08-01-2021, 03:44 PM)Big_Jim1967 Wrote:  Check out The Fully Charged Show on YouTube. They're a good source of info.
I spoke to a taxi driver in LA four years ago who had a Tesla - first time I'd ever seen one. He said there were plenty of Toyota Prius in California that have been used as taxis for over ten years that are still working fine every day. He said they get shonky (his word, not mine) at 250k miles.

Thanks that's 200k miles more than I would have guessed, maybe there like triggers broom.
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#4
I had a quick Google and it seems that my fears over the battery life might be unfounded.
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#5
To answer your first question: 

Hello - are you my wife? 
Years ago she questioned the 'greenness' of scrapping perfectly sound (but old and therefore 'dirty') motors in favour of some new wunderkind - given that said new motor cannot be built (and the old one scrapped) without some environmental costs, would those be more or less than the costs of keeping the 'dirty' old motor on the road?
Turns out the answer (broadly) is that keeping the old car on the road is better than scrapping it other than in terms of emissions/air quality. She knows things, after all she has letters after her name, and before too.

The SMMT take on this is:

Furthermore, the average age of a vehicle on the road has increased, from 6.8 years in 2003 to 7.8 recorded in 2015. This reflects both slower fleet renewal and the increased longevity of vehicles. This trend works against the uptake of new vehicles, which would bring greater environmental benefits. Newer vehicles also incorporate  more advanced occupant and pedestrian safety features.

So the industry will use air quality = environmental benefits to try and sell us more cars. That totally ignores the other environmental problems.
Enter the 'green' leasing people at this point.

In my book - if you're a townie then green is good. Get a bike. Use community electric car leasing. If you're rich get your own electric car. 

I'm not rich, live in the middle of nowhere and our two cars are aged 11 and 12 years old.  Guess what I'm doing?

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#6
Thanks for the input, I think that cars will become a throwaway item, which is a shame. I still like to get my hands dirty , I guess that's why classic cars go up in price.
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(08-01-2021, 08:59 PM)jimbo Wrote:  Thanks for the input, I think that cars will become a throwaway item, which is a shame. I still like to get my hands dirty , I guess that's why classic cars go up in price.

I think they already are throwaway (more or less) - modern stuff gets too tricky/expensive for garages to fix so they get scrapped 'early' unless somebody willing to get their hands dirty takes a punt on ownership. 2010/2012 cars - especially BIG stuff seems incredibly cheap these days at auction (not FleaBay - proper auctions).

I've been looking around for 'something' older but useable as a 'daily' for a while and looked at stuff like a Rover P6 estate, Triumph 2000/2500, a BX etc etc but the prices are absolutely sky high at the moment for that type of car.

So sticking with the Subaru power sledge - lovely car to drive, easy to work on but does drink the petrol a little. Mind you - London LEZ exempt 'cos it's not a 'dirty diesel'. (Only 2.5 litres of petrol warming the planet - but no NOx - what's not to like?)
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The only car programs that are even close to being green is car sharing where a group of people go together to buy and maintain a small set of cars, on the basis that no one need a car on a daily basis.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, large apartment buildings come with a set of common cars in the basement. One panel van type, one or two 7seaters, and the rest 2 seaters(small cars for city driving) and MPVs.
And everyone will be expected to use public transport most of the time.
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My god, that sounds like Orwell's 1984.

As long as I can drive, I will never ever board public transport. Tried it a few times, bloody awful experience. Personal space preferred thanks.

I get the environmental issues. I'd love an electric car that did a decent range to swap over to from my combustion version. But, I live in a new build apartment with no way of charging said vehicle. Millions of people with terraced houses or apartments will never be able to use BEVs until there's a charge point in every parking space. Do I think that's ever going to be a reality......sadly no.

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I live in terrace and I am lucky to get a parking space so can't imagine charging points would work as some cars don't move for weeks.
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