Wondering if anyone has used Wynns Super Charge in AdBlue engine

[kingy1912]

Hi All,

I have a 1.6HDI AdBlue berlingo which is well up on its mileage (323k). It has always burned a bit of oil  (about 1.5 litres) from new but has slowly but surely got worse since the 150k mark and now burns around 5 litres between services. The vehicles only does longer runs so the interval was kept at the manufactures recommended interval. According to the garage Citroen believe it’s ok to burn a litre every 1k without further investigation no idea if this is right but it sounds a lot.

So anyway I have replace a lot of seals and stuff because they were leaking a bit but oil consumption is still high. So far it has had the turbo done at 215k which was spitting oil everywhere but has been checked again and is clean. Cam Box seals and cam shaft seals have been done. Crankshaft seals on belt side and box side have been replaced and no other leaking is evident.

The other side effect to the oil consumption is that the DPF needs replaced again because it’s flagged up as worn on a diagnostic. I assume because it’s regenerating at a faster rate due to catching more suit.

The garage recommended trying Wynns Super Charge as they used to use it in older Peugeot engines which were bad for burning oil. They are unusual how it goes with the newer engine oils and systems on the car as no kind of oil additive is recommended.

I’m interested to hear if anyone has used it in these engines yet and to see if it makes a difference or if it’s just a lot of mince?

Thanks

Ian

[kingy1912]

Also worth mentioning that diagnostics does not lift any fault from engine, performance is fine, fuel consumption is fine also at 54.7 mpg.

[Sol]

I think Wynns Supercharge will never make it to the turbo cartridge bearing due to being like syrup, its mega heavy. No doubt the engine would seal up better with it in there but I feel the turbo would run low on lube.

I've used it on really old Ford and Vauxhall engines but never tried it on a modern TDi / HDi.

I remember putting it in a Vauxhall Chevette engine that was on 170k and smoked like a kipper factory, it did work but it made the car a turd to crank on a winters day - big batteries, jump leads, the whole 9 yards.

[jj9]

You have asked about the oil burning problem in the past and you have been given good sound advice by experienced members of the forum.

You can find that advice in this thread....  https://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-18746.html

Correct me if I'm wrong here . . .  so your garage that was reluctant to switch up to a slightly thicker oil, 5W30 in place of 0W30 are now recommending that you use treacle in your engine?






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[kingy1912]

Hi Zion and jj9,

Thanks for replying. I’m unsure as to the turbo cartridge point you raise but looking at anything I can see online it says it is compatible with modern engines and oils. I suppose it’s a try and see kind of thing my thinking was run it at min see how it goes as it will be due an oil change again soon. If I notice anything funny with it I can oil change it and switch it back to ordinary oil.

My friends is a BMW mechanic and uses the forte version of this and like the results. Again I guess it’s hit and miss and personal preference if you find it works.

As for the previous advice that I received I was unable to get Citroen or Honda to agree to changing the oil grades. They refused because if they put it in they would be responsible for damage as a result. I did raise the point that I believe that looking at the stuff it would probably amount things change the viscosity of the oil. Not much advice available on it from the garage as they don’t really know how it works but only that it did the job in the engines that took 10/40. The wynns website says on it that it is oil soluble so I would assume on that basis that it looks like and pours like golden syrup but it’s solubility allows it to mix with the oil.

Basically unless I do the oil change myself most places seem reluctant to move away from the recommended oil that I have already been using in it. This is an easy enough thing to do if it fixes the issue as they can still change the oil as usual but afterwards I can tip in a can. The dilemma I have is that I need to keep the car for at least another 18 months however as said garages don’t want to be responsible for damage from changing oil grades but not can I continue to batter total inos in to it the way it’s eating through it.

[Sol]

If the turbo centre cartridge gets no oil, it siezes and thats the end of the turbo.

[kingy1912]

After dipping the oil and looking at it and feeling it there don’t seem to be any major thickening of it it. Normally if you dip it the oil would easily drip from the end of the dip stick. Now the oil still runs down the stick but it resists dropping for a longer period before it does. No way of testing viscosity but it seems ok so far it has run 200 miles and the engine is quieter and smoother.

[jj9]

The treacle is obviously going to thicken up your oil . .  we told you to change grade in your other thread which would in my opinion be better than relying on a tin of jollop.

I've just re-read you other thread that I linked to in post #4 and all the advice you could ever need is there.

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[kingy1912]

Changing grade of oil may well be a better option but I am limited in what I can do as I don't have anywhere I can do my own work or store equipment now. The troubleshooting I do needs to be put in to action by a garage because of my situation.
The changing grade would be fine if I could get a garage to carry it out but they don't want the hassle of any fall out from it not working. This way its easy for me to add after an oil change by telling them to fill 300ml short and topping up with the supercharge if it works. Then its just a matter of topping up with fresh oil if still needed and then changing at the next change and repeating the process. There is two local garages my family have used in the past and they do not want to know anything about it and in fact when you speak to them they say the same thing, add in a can yourself. It seem quite a common thing to be recommended for high mileage vehicles.

By checking in to it further the super charge appears to be oil soluble and becomes most effective at higher temperatures. I believe it is the higher temperatures that are the problem as I don't do many short runs. My area of work is airport transfers so most of my work is carried out at 20 plus miles. If it works the way it is claimed then it should hopefully slow the oil burn at the higher engine temperatures. I certainly don't see anything related to turbo issues and in general I have not seen anything really negative about it.

As I said I am limited because of the lack of facilities and space and this for now seemed to be a reasonable option to try. The car has been sitting all night and I will take a look at comparing the oil from the can with the oil from the car.

[cancunia]

At the rate you're using oil, you could get the garage to fill it up as normal at service time and then top up yourself with whatever suits? I ran my non DPF 1.6HDi on 5w40 fully synth as it was over 100k miles. A 5 litre can of low saps 5w30 would be a good start.
Your oil is going somewhere & if it's not leaking out onto the ground, it must be going out of the exhaust.