[Transmission] Citroen Berlingo Stuck In Gear, Selects all gears

[Advanced Diagnostic]

Hi All French Car Fans


I purchased a 2007 Citroen Berlingo 5 Speed Manual.


It is stuck in a gear.

BUT, i can select all gears and hear it going into all gears,
If i put it in reverse or first gear and i try pushing it you can feel it is in gear.

In Neutral it is also in a gear but it is like a 5th gear ratio. Or 3rd.

I removed side cover and when selecting 5th gear the selector fork moves in and out.

Any ideas.

Thanks in Advance.

[oilyrag]

Have a look at the linkage in case one of the 'arms' is bent or the end coupling is worn and floppy. I'd suggest popping the linkages off at the gearbox end and manually moving each selector to 'feel' any engagement and see if you can actually get it into a 'real' neutral. Also have a look at where the 'main' shaft comes from the gear lever - there's a bush in the coupling that may have failed and not allowing complete movement of the external selector rods.
Unless it is a problem that exists in the external linkage then it could be down to a bent/worn selector within the gearbox. Certainly trying to run it with 2 gears selected will destroy the gearbox.
Good luck!

[Advanced Diagnostic]

Have a look at the linkage in case one of the 'arms' is bent or the end coupling is worn and floppy. I'd suggest popping the linkages off at the gearbox end and manually moving each selector to 'feel' any engagement and see if you can actually get it into a 'real' neutral.  Also have a look at where the 'main' shaft comes from the gear lever - there's a bush in the coupling that may have failed and not allowing complete movement of the external selector rods.
Unless it is a problem that exists in the external linkage then it could be down to a bent/worn selector within the gearbox. Certainly trying to run it with 2 gears selected will destroy the gearbox.
Good luck!

Hi Thank You for the reply

I checked the linkage and removed it as you have stated, and the car stays in a gear.

It is no doubt inside the gearbox as even when you press the clutch in any gear it still is in a gear. only in neutral clutch depressed does it move freely.

Thanks

[oilyrag]

It's always difficult to 'imagine' a problem from afar, but from what I understand the car stays 'immobile' when a gear is selected and the clutch depressed, but will move when the car is in neutral, clutch depressed.
Is the clutch actually releasing or might the clutch driven plate be stuck to the flywheel - this would give most of the symptoms mentioned but .......in neutral, whether the clutch is up or down the engine should turn/start without driving the gearbox. If started, clutch down, in any gear the engine would be permanently locked in gear and trying to start the car would move the car on the starter motor.
If the car is started in neutral and clutch put down no gears would engage - not without a big crunch.
Worth considering, esp if car has been laid up for a while.

[Advanced Diagnostic]

Hi All

Update on the gearbox.

The 019 photo i cannot engage the bottom gear. i think it is 3rd. It is not lining up no matter what i do.
The top gear 4th i think, or it could be other way around engages with ease and without effort.

And the bearing is a plastic bearing casing.

Thanks

[geoff]

Oh dear one very dead bearing !! Looks like you've found your problem.

Will you make the necessary repairs or get a recon unit ?

[Gadgetman]

Oh dear.
That WAS a tapered roller bearing...
That means preload and all that sh!t.

First point;
COUNT the rollers!

You'll need to inspect every cogwheel in there for damage. (Rollers are made of HARD steel. Very hard. )

If there's damage to the cogs, that might be it for that gearbox.
Which model is it, anyway?

[Advanced Diagnostic]

Hi.
I think i am opting for a recon gearbox.

Haha yes i counted the rollers first thing that i thought could be a good idea.

2007 Citroen Berlingo 1.6

Thanks