0W20 or 0W30 for K9 Berlingo DV5RD 75KW engine

[kingy1912]

Hi there,

I am looking to see if anyone knows much about oil selection on the K9's. When the vehicle was brand new in 2020 I am pretty sure the engine oil recommended was 0W30 and that is what has been put in it ever since until today. I normally get the vehicle serviced at Honda with the service kit coming from their own companies Citroen dealership.

However due to staff shortages they could not book me for service so i had to go direct to my local Arnold Clark Citroen. This is where I found out they have put 0W20 in it as per the service schedule. I questioned this of course and they ran off the service schedule from the system and sure enough it states 0W20.

I am looking to see if anyone knows if this has been an update made somewhere along the way that previously it was 0W30 but now they recommend 0W20.

Additionally I am looking for advice on wether or not it will make a great deal of difference to the car running on 0W20 from now on or if it is better to moved it back to 0W30.

The car is oil changed every 10K and given a major service every 20K but I am concerned with the engine being used to 0W30 and the wear at this grade meaning the car may start to burn oil with a thinner grade being used. The car has never burned oil at all so far and it has 122K on it.

If anyone could share their thoughts or provide some advice it would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Sol]

It does look like Total (supplier to PSA) recommend 0w20 for the 2022 1.5 HDi as per their website selector.

You can contact them to ask directly using your vehicle details at the address below:

email: lubtech@totalenergies.com

[kingy1912]

It does look like Total (supplier to PSA) recommend 0w20 for the 2022 1.5 HDi as per their website selector.

You can contact them to ask directly using your vehicle details at the address below:

email: lubtech@totalenergies.com

Ok Zion no problem. It would appear that either the wrong oil has been going in from the beginning or they have updated the engines to have 0W20 instead of 0W30 somewhere between 2020 and 2022.

[Sol]

Yep you could be right on either statement mate. Maybe that lube team at Total can enlighten you. Could be worth an email?

I had a similar issue years ago with the 2003 Audi 1.8T engine when it came out, my car was serviced by a dealer in Liverpool when I picked the car up at 2 years old, then the local dealer used a different oil at the next service and they were not compatible, causing gelling in the sump and wrecking the engine by seizing the timing chain tensioner for the VVT cam system (while I was "getting on it" in the bends).

Audi themselves were not interested even though a class-action suit was raised in the US and all car owners reimbursed. The oil spec was changed from mineral to fully synth and it caused chaos, most now are fully synth already but it is worth asking Total who manufacture oil, what the implication is of switching between 0w30 and 0w20.

[kingy1912]

So I emailed Total and they replied fairly quickly. It appears that 0W20 is the correct oil but many Citroen dealers have just been using the 0W30 anyway. The oil spec was changed at the switch from the B9 to the K9 but appears to have been ignored by dealers. So much so that Citroen is still covering warranty claims that have been claimed against vehicles with 0W30 oil being used in them. My local dealer, the one i used this morning said they have seen warranty claims being accepted in their own dealership under those circumstances.

Anyways back to the oil, turns out Citroen posted an update in May last year that dealers were to use 0W20 on all DV5 variants. This was changed to a mandatory notice in January 2023! It appears if your DV5 variant is not already on 0W20 then it should be transitioned at the next service. They also confirmed that there should be no issues moving from one to the other due to this advice. I will attach the update he shared with me below so you can see it.

It appears that in light of the move from Euro 6.2 to 6.4 all vehicles will be on 0W20 anything prior to 6.2 should remain on 0W30 or at least that is how i am reading it.

Thanks

Ian

[kingy1912]

Yep you could be right on either statement mate. Maybe that lube team at Total can enlighten you. Could be worth an email?

I had a similar issue years ago with the 2003 Audi 1.8T engine when it came out, my car was serviced by a dealer in Liverpool when I picked the car up at 2 years old, then the local dealer used a different oil at the next service and they were not compatible, causing gelling in the sump and wrecking the engine by seizing the timing chain tensioner for the VVT cam system (while I was "getting on it" in the bends).

Audi themselves were not interested even though a class-action suit was raised in the US and all car owners reimbursed. The oil spec was changed from mineral to fully synth and it caused chaos, most now are fully synth already but it is worth asking Total who manufacture oil, what the implication is of switching between 0w30 and 0w20.

In reference to what you are saying here I have seen similar with the Citroens and wet belt systems. From looking around I have seen mention of engines with wet belts actually having the belts snap because the oil attacked the material the belts were made of. If i remember right I also think this is to do with 0W20 and 0W30. The wet belts were snapping in vehicles running with 0W30 so it was changed to 0W20.

I actually think it was PSA engines being used in Toyotas or something.

[Sol]

Yep you could be right on either statement mate. Maybe that lube team at Total can enlighten you. Could be worth an email?

I had a similar issue years ago with the 2003 Audi 1.8T engine when it came out, my car was serviced by a dealer in Liverpool when I picked the car up at 2 years old, then the local dealer used a different oil at the next service and they were not compatible, causing gelling in the sump and wrecking the engine by seizing the timing chain tensioner for the VVT cam system (while I was "getting on it" in the bends).

Audi themselves were not interested even though a class-action suit was raised in the US and all car owners reimbursed. The oil spec was changed from mineral to fully synth and it caused chaos, most now are fully synth already but it is worth asking Total who manufacture oil, what the implication is of switching between 0w30 and 0w20.

In reference to what you are saying here I have seen similar with the Citroens and wet belt systems. From looking around I have seen mention of engines with wet belts actually having the belts snap because the oil attacked the material the belts were made of. If i remember right I also think this is to do with 0W20 and 0W30. The wet belts were snapping in vehicles running with 0W30 so it was changed to 0W20.

I actually think it was PSA engines being used in Toyotas or something.

Good stuff. Looks like it was worth emailing Total then. Yeah it rings a bell about the wet belts breaking, also afflicted the Ford 2.2 TDCi for the same reason. Also used in the Range Rover Evoque...

[notsofast]

I opened a thread about this matter a few weeks back, see here:
https://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-23596.html