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Should I buy a diesel Berlingo or not?
#1
Hey, new here.

I bought a Ford Tourneo Connect with a Ecoboost engine a couple months ago and the wet chain gave up. The whole engine needs replacing.
I'm now debating on trading it with the store that sold the car to a 2020 Berlingo XL 1.5HDi 130 with the auto gearbox (77k miles).

Now I'm reading horror stories about Citroen's diesel engines here; is it better to skip the Berlingo in the first place?
Seems like whatever car you're going to buy nowadays, either the engine or the gearbox, or something related to emissions is going to blow up.

Edit: of course going to check error codes, service history etc. before buying anything.
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#2
I know here in the UK, getting an ecoboost replaced isn't as expensive as you might think...It might be worth getting a few prices for that before you do anything drastic.

All I can really make out about the 1.5hdi is it's not as bad as the older 1.6 for suddenly destroying itself. They're not amazing, but nothing really is any more.

Unpopular opinions - the most reliable (or is it least unreliable?) engine in a little van seems to be the 1.5dci in the Renault kangoo/citan.
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#3
AdBlue and DPF issues can affect both the 1.5 and 1.6.

My impression from reading about the 1.6 is that it's generally OK reliability-wise. I think one weakness (hopefully I'm not muddling it with the 2.0?) is that the water pump can seize and b*gger the cambelt, so the likelihood of this occurring can be reduced by making sure the pump is replaced.

An issue to watch for that's specific to the 1.5 is covered in this thread I started a while back:
https://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-23596.html

The problem with buying secondhand is it's harder to be sure that the servicing has been done properly, which is probably more crucial now that engines are more demanding and less forgiving.
Work van:     2020 1.5 BlueHDi 100 Enterprise Berlingo
Spare van:    2001 1.9 600d Berlingo
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#4
(17-05-2023, 05:05 AM)ItsGreen Wrote:  I know here in the UK, getting an ecoboost replaced isn't as expensive as you might think...It might be worth getting a few prices for that before you do anything drastic.

All I can really make out about the 1.5hdi is it's not as bad as the older 1.6 for suddenly destroying itself. They're not amazing, but nothing really is any more.

Unpopular opinions - the most reliable (or is it least unreliable?) engine in a little van seems to be the 1.5dci in the Renault kangoo/citan.

I got a pretty fair deal on the engine replacement (in my opinion). It was 7600€ total, of which 2000€ was to be paid by me.
Fair IF the engine was rebuilt at the factory, not by some random bloke down the road (didn't find out yet), and under proper warranty.

I won't trade it in if the store is unreasonable on compensating for the repairs when trading it in.
I just don't like the idea that the engine might be a fish net weight in another 100 thousand kilometers and everyone buying the car (except me, apparently) knows that.
Obviously the Citroen could be the same way after another 100k, who knows. But I'm not getting another 3-pot, wet belt engine again.

For some reason there's no Kangoos here as passenger vehicles and Citans are way too expensive.


(17-05-2023, 07:39 AM)notsofast Wrote:  AdBlue and DPF issues can affect both the 1.5 and 1.6.

My impression from reading about the 1.6 is that it's generally OK reliability-wise. I think one weakness (hopefully I'm not muddling it with the 2.0?) is that the water pump can seize and b*gger the cambelt, so the likelihood of this occurring can be reduced by making sure the pump is replaced.

An issue to watch for that's specific to the 1.5 is covered in this thread I started a while back:
https://www.berlingoforum.com/thread-23596.html

The problem with buying secondhand is it's harder to be sure that the servicing has been done properly, which is probably more crucial now that engines are more demanding and less forgiving.

Apparently the car is an old lease for a company and supposedly has been serviced properly. I've not seen the car yet.
I'll probably check for fault codes and visit a Citroen dealer on the test drive to confirm if any repairs regarding the AdBlue system and/or chain has been done.
Does anyone know since when Citroen has put the wider chain on the engine by default, if ever?
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#5
The French site about the engines said supposedly 2019+ engines had been equipped with a wider chain.

Which Ecoboost was it, 1.0 or 1.6?
2021 130hp 1.5 BlueHDi EAT8 L2 XTR Gris Platinum
ex: 2003 1.4i cargo
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#6
In theory, any ecoboost engine you buy now should have been "fixed" and as long as you use the right oil (literally, the stuff Ford sell), they should be OK.
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