Considering 2016 B9..advice please

[Robho]

Hi All, I am thinking of replacing our 2006 MPV with a 2016 B9 Enterprise van, with the 1.6HDi 75ps engine. 

Haven't viewed it yet. Appears very fairly priced through a family friend. 2nd owner, 58k miles and apparently good history. 

Before viewing, I'd appreciate advice on any common problems please?

It is coming up for 9 years old - even with the relatively modest mileage - is that time for cambelt/water pump? (what is the official Citroen time/ mileage?)

Other issues to check for?

Many thanks
Rob

[Multispacer]

Hi All, I am thinking of replacing our 2006 MPV with a 2016 B9 Enterprise van, with the 1.6HDi 75ps engine. 

Haven't viewed it yet. Appears very fairly priced through a family friend. 2nd owner, 58k miles and apparently good history. 

Before viewing, I'd appreciate advice on any common problems please?

It is coming up for 9 years old - even with the relatively modest mileage - is that time for cambelt/water pump? (what is the official Citroen time/ mileage?)

Other issues to check for?

Many thanks
Rob

I'm not sure what the exact cut-over date was but I'm thinking a 2016 Van will probably have the Eolys system [as well as AdBlue?] as part of the emissions reduction. If it doesn't have AdBlue, it will definitely just have the Eolys system, that can be troublesome. The Eolys has either a pouch or a container located in the rear wheel arch and the pouches have been known to puncture [stones or debris] The Eolys system helps in the lower temp regeneration of
the DPF and it's another thing to bear in mind when buying a PSA group vehicle of this age, as they were I think the only company to use this interim solution before Adblue. Getting the system replenished [or fixed if it fails] is really a dealer only type job and the fluid [of which there are different non-interchangeable types] can be costly.

DPFs as fitted to modern diesels can be troublesome if only used for short journeys as the vehicle doesn't get up to temperature to start the proper regen process, so the fact that the van has a low mileage is not always a great thing as it can shorten the life of the DPF, so look out for any sort for warning lights/messages for engine management of filters.

My last Berlingo Multispace B9 [same version as the van you are considering] had a cam-belt/water pump interval change of 100,000 miles or 10 years.

Finally, I think from reading on the forum, vans attract a higher VED rate than the Multispace version, so something to be aware of.

[Robho]

Hi All, I am thinking of replacing our 2006 MPV with a 2016 B9 Enterprise van, with the 1.6HDi 75ps engine. 

Haven't viewed it yet. Appears very fairly priced through a family friend. 2nd owner, 58k miles and apparently good history. 

Before viewing, I'd appreciate advice on any common problems please?

It is coming up for 9 years old - even with the relatively modest mileage - is that time for cambelt/water pump? (what is the official Citroen time/ mileage?)

Other issues to check for?

Many thanks
Rob

I'm not sure what the exact cut-over date was but I'm thinking a 2016 Van will probably have the Eolys system [as well as AdBlue?] as part of the emissions reduction. If it doesn't have AdBlue, it will definitely just have the Eolys system, that can be troublesome. The Eolys has either a pouch or a container located in the rear wheel arch and the pouches have been known to puncture [stones or debris] The Eolys system helps in the lower temp regeneration of
the DPF and it's another thing to bear in mind when buying a PSA group vehicle of this age, as they were I think the only company to use this interim solution before Adblue. Getting the system replenished [or fixed if it fails] is really a dealer only type job and the fluid [of which there are different non-interchangeable types] can be costly.

DPFs as fitted to modern diesels can be troublesome if only used for short journeys as the vehicle doesn't get up to temperature to start the proper regen process, so the fact that the van has a low mileage is not always a great thing as it can shorten the life of the DPF, so look out for any sort for warning lights/messages for engine management of filters.

My last Berlingo Multispace B9 [same version as the van you are considering] had a cam-belt/water pump interval change of 100,000 miles or 10 years.

Finally, I think from reading on the forum, vans attract a higher VED rate than the Multispace version, so something to be aware of.

Thanks, that's a very helpful reply (and I wasn't aware of the VED difference)

[shtu]

Something worth bearing in mind too - the Multispace version is a "car", which means higher speed limits, and easier access to things like council tips. These things might be a factor for you.

I specifically bought a Multispace for those reasons, with the rear seats out it's as capacious as a van, with the benefit of sliding rear doors on both sides.

[LukeC]

When buying my B9 I was surprised by the VED difference. Although, on the other hand, I've had no issues with getting into council tips so far, but it's an ex hire van and still has a discreet sticker for the previous owner on the back door. Whether that helps or not, I don't know.

The dpf regen is the only worry I've got at the moment, as I've recently started a job where I'm only doing short runs to and from work, even if it is on the dual carriageway.

[Robho]

Thanks. Yes I was shocked at the VED ..£335 I believe. Hadn't thought about access to council tips... a good point also. 

much appreciated

[evdama]

Thanks. Yes I was shocked at the VED ..£335 I believe. Hadn't thought about access to council tips... a good point also. 

much appreciated

Cambelt change will be on the cards regardless of recommended intervals.I did mine at 58 k/12 years with the tensioner at its limit and the idler pulley bearing noisy.

I think the adblue came in around 2013/14?? 
As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)

The only issues I've had with mine are the nearside rear brake caliper pins seize causing uneven pad wear,a slightly misaligned nearside rear wheel causing uneven tyre wear,and the radio unit not allowing the use of the usb port now and then.
Check under the front underside of the bonnet for rust.
Premature wear of the front suspension drop links can cause knocking but mine are the originals and are still refusing to speak up.

[Robho]

Thanks. Yes I was shocked at the VED ..£335 I believe. Hadn't thought about access to council tips... a good point also. 

much appreciated

Cambelt change will be on the cards regardless of recommended intervals.I did mine at 58 k/12 years with the tensioner at its limit and the idler pulley bearing noisy.

I think the adblue came in around 2013/14?? 
As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)

The only issues I've had with mine are the nearside rear brake caliper pins seize causing uneven pad wear,a slightly misaligned nearside rear wheel causing uneven tyre wear,and the radio unit not allowing the use of the usb port now and then.
Check under the front underside of the bonnet for rust.
Premature wear of the front suspension drop links can cause knocking but mine are the originals and are still refusing to speak up.

Good feedback, thanks.

I havent had a car with Ad Blue....Can I clarify:


As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)



...is it keeping it topped up that causes the [problem (if so what's the best practice pls?)



thanks

[evdama]

Thanks. Yes I was shocked at the VED ..£335 I believe. Hadn't thought about access to council tips... a good point also. 

much appreciated

Cambelt change will be on the cards regardless of recommended intervals.I did mine at 58 k/12 years with the tensioner at its limit and the idler pulley bearing noisy.

I think the adblue came in around 2013/14?? 
As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)

The only issues I've had with mine are the nearside rear brake caliper pins seize causing uneven pad wear,a slightly misaligned nearside rear wheel causing uneven tyre wear,and the radio unit not allowing the use of the usb port now and then.
Check under the front underside of the bonnet for rust.
Premature wear of the front suspension drop links can cause knocking but mine are the originals and are still refusing to speak up.

Good feedback, thanks.

I havent had a car with Ad Blue....Can I clarify:


As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)



...is it keeping it topped up that causes the [problem (if so what's the best practice pls?)



thanks

In the cases of the Merc Sprinters we had at work the tank capacity was nearly twenty litres which would last at least couple of months.
But the drivers were heeding scare warnings about running out and were topping it up every day or so it never got used up before crystalising due to age and blocking its own flow.

Think about a jar of good quality honey left at the back of a cold cupboard for six months- it crystallizes solid.

The policy was changed and the tanks were only ever filled half full once there was around a weeks-worth left .
It worked with no further troubles.

This is only one issue with adblue systems in general but there are sure to be more to surface.

Incidentally,the fleet contract repair mechanics would just replace the tank and pump with new each time and charge the company accordingly.
If it were my vehicle Id probably have had a go at clearing it out myself first as the crystals are water soluble.

In short - buy it in small amounts with a recent date on the container and only fill it to half way once its
nearly empty.

[Robho]

Thanks. Yes I was shocked at the VED ..£335 I believe. Hadn't thought about access to council tips... a good point also. 

much appreciated

Cambelt change will be on the cards regardless of recommended intervals.I did mine at 58 k/12 years with the tensioner at its limit and the idler pulley bearing noisy.

I think the adblue came in around 2013/14?? 
As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)

The only issues I've had with mine are the nearside rear brake caliper pins seize causing uneven pad wear,a slightly misaligned nearside rear wheel causing uneven tyre wear,and the radio unit not allowing the use of the usb port now and then.
Check under the front underside of the bonnet for rust.
Premature wear of the front suspension drop links can cause knocking but mine are the originals and are still refusing to speak up.

Good feedback, thanks.

I havent had a car with Ad Blue....Can I clarify:


As per the other recent thread,troubles with this are often caused by owners religiously keeping the tank fully topped up allowing old adblue to crystallize(it has a use-by date)



...is it keeping it topped up that causes the [problem (if so what's the best practice pls?)



thanks

In the cases of the Merc Sprinters we had at work the tank capacity was nearly twenty litres which would last at least couple of months.
But the drivers were heeding scare warnings about running out and were topping it up every day or so it never got used up before crystalising due to age and blocking its own flow.

Think about a jar of good quality honey left at the back of a cold cupboard for six months- it crystallizes solid.

The policy was changed and the tanks were only ever filled half full once there was around a weeks-worth left .
It worked with no further troubles.

This is only one issue with adblue systems in general but there are sure to be more to surface.

Incidentally,the fleet contract repair mechanics would just replace the tank and pump with new each time and charge the company accordingly.
If it were my vehicle Id probably have had a go at clearing it out myself first as the crystals are water soluble.

In short - buy it in small amounts with a recent date on the container and only fill it to half way once its
nearly empty.

great explanation...many thanks., Rob