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Unusual Braking Problem
#1
I've a 2006 1.6HDi Combi. I've had several problems with front brake callipers (apparently) but with the latest occurrence wonder if there is more to it. I'll try to summarise:

Bought the vehicle in 2020, with 80k miles. Disability conversion, appeared well looked after. A couple months into ownership had a problem where the nsf calliper stuck on. Replaced the calliper and, as good practice, replaced the osf at the same time. I don't now recall exactly the detail but there must have been a recurrence of a similar problem thereafter since I received some advice that my mechanic acted on - best he  can recall from 5 years back:

"If I remember rightly, I undid the fluid reservoir, pulled it away and slightly turned the rod to gain a little more free play. I don't recall if it was under the dash connected to the pedal, or possibly needed access both places". Whilst not very specific, you get the gist and maybe someone will recognise exactly what...

(This tip was given to me by a classic car garage which was working on on old sportscar of mine).

Anyway, it worked well, and cured the problem.

Fast forward to September 2023, ie three years later and probably 15k miles further, and a recurrence - this time the osf brake seized on. This was however in the freakish heatwave we had and it was 35-deg C at the time. A contributing factor? (it likely didn't help). 

The night before leaving for holiday, it left us marooned, and I had it attended to whilst we were away (another calliper, to the osf).

Then, a couple of weeks ago, another 9k miles; and I experienced an unusual vibration through the steering, as if a front wheel had lost a balance weight....but very oddly, 'coming and going' ...for want of a better description, at 50mph "on" for 3 seconds and "off" for 3 seconds, repeating. I was half a mile from home so decided to continue steadily down the quiet rural road. When stopped, I could smell brake material and, sure enough, the nsf this time was hot. Let it cool down, lifted the front and the brake was virtually seized. Another calliper.

So, that's two on each since over the course of c. 20k miles and five years. Vehicle is used every few days for a journey of 10-25miles, typically, by the way.

The last calliper was replaced a fortnight ago.

Since then, I noticed an intermittent, subtle but definite vibration, seemingly from the front of the vehicle. Similar to driving along and the road surface changes to a more uneven one. Can't detect a pattern, but does seem (slightly) greater at c 50mph. Had two experienced mechanics drive it without describing in detail and both fedback similar observations. But no suggestions beyond checking the basics (loose wheel, etc etc...all done)

On jacking the car yesterday, the nsf wheel is dragging compared to the offside front. Whilst not scientific, to illustrate the difference, approximately the same for exerted to spin the wheels one at a time results in the offside doing 3-4 revolutions, the nearside barely one revolution.

I contacted the manager of the motor factors who have supplied the callipers - in 6.5 years he's been there, they have never had one front calliper returned faulty.

I must admit it seems like there could be an underlying issue. 

The vehicle is kept in good condition and brake pads are about a third worn, when replacing them or the callipers everything is given a good clean, slide pins replaced if needed, the discs were replaced with the callipers first time and have no nasty lips (etc.). I can't be absolutely sure, but I believe we replaced the hoses the first time, too, in case there was a weak one.

I wonder if anyone has experienced anything like this?

Or can suggest further tests to try to establish what's going on pls? (especially at the master cylinder end).

Many thanks
Rob
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#2
Sliding pins? I have no specific knowledge of Berlingo callipers but one side of the calliper is fixed and the other side moves in and out as the brake is applied? If you get me.
Do the sliding pins need lubrication? Some form of copper slip (not saying it should be that, just an example).
Is the same lubricant/grease being used every time they have been changed?
You can see where I'm going with this. Is it the right type......
Now a 2019 K9 1.2 petrol.
Before a 2010 B9 1.6 HDi diesel.
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#3
Yes, pins all done. thanks.
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#4
Not what I was asking. It wasn't about the pins being changed, I read you mentioned that. It was if the pins need some form of lubrication/grease for the calliper sliding along them, if it does, when the brake is applied and released, is the right stuff being used.
It may be my ignorance about Berlingo callipers but no matter if the pins are new or not and half the calliper needs to slide along them and needs a lubricant, if the right stuff is not used there is a risk of the calliper gradually seizing or having its movement restricted by the lack of it, thus the brakes sticking on.
The force of applying the brake is greater than the force releasing it, so the calliper may well stick when trying to come off.

If the calliper doesn't slide or doesn't need lubrication as a matter of course, then ignore the above. It's just that's what is sounds like to me. The sliding calliper seizing due to the wrong lubricant.
Now a 2019 K9 1.2 petrol.
Before a 2010 B9 1.6 HDi diesel.
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#5
Does it have ABS ?. No warnings on the dash when it starts to play up ?.

The hydraulics are linked diagonally so the fns is linked to the rear dos , so is the rear brake free ?

After changing the caliper does the old caliper piston move in easily . If it does I would be thinking of a brake master cylinder fault, more of a hydraulic fault rather than the caliper fault or a flexible brake pipe collapsing inside and working like a one way valve.
2020 Rifter 1.5 allure
2010 B9 red XTR w a v. 
2001 1.9d DW8B white  Berlingo  
2005 2.l green Berlingo
2001 1.9d DW8B white  Berlingo 
berlingo 1.4 red multispace
1993 xud 1.9 red partner
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#6
When a brake will not release, the first thing to do, is slacken the offending calliper bleed screw. If this releases the brake, then the fault is a build up of pressure in the hydraulic line. If it does not release the brake and you are sure the bleed nipple is clear, then the fault is with the calliper/slider/pads.

Geoff
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#7
(01-03-2025, 05:05 PM)Mark604 Wrote:  Not what I was asking. It wasn't about the pins being changed, I read you mentioned that. It was if the pins need some form of lubrication/grease for the calliper sliding along them, if it does, when the brake is applied and released, is the right stuff being used.
It may be my ignorance about Berlingo callipers but no matter if the pins are new or not and half the calliper needs to slide along them and needs a lubricant, if the right stuff is not used there is a risk of the calliper gradually seizing or having its movement restricted by the lack of it, thus the brakes sticking on.
The force of applying the brake is greater than the force releasing it, so the calliper may well stick when trying to come off.

If the calliper doesn't slide or doesn't need lubrication as a matter of course, then ignore the above. It's just that's what is sounds like to me. The sliding calliper seizing due to the wrong lubricant.

Apologies, I could have been clearer...and a valid point, and you are correctly describing the operation. Lubricated with a specialist brake lubricant, not copper slip (which I have previously been told to avoid on brakes due to the potential for high temperatures).

Whilst I don't have the data to support this, I've wondered if there is a fault which is preventing the calliper releasing enough, which leads to a lot of heat through the friction created, which in turn leads to the calliper seizing.
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#8
(01-03-2025, 05:33 PM)brodfather11 Wrote:  Does it have ABS ?. No warnings on the dash when it starts to play up ?.

The hydraulics are linked diagonally so the fns is linked to the rear dos , so is the rear brake free ?

After changing the caliper does the old caliper piston move in easily . If it does I would be thinking of a brake master cylinder fault, more of a hydraulic fault rather than the caliper fault or a flexible brake pipe collapsing inside and working like a one way valve.

I 'believe' it has ABS. A quick parts search for ABS sensors online shows them coming up for my registration number. I'll have a look when next with the vehicle. No warnings on the dash. 

It is a couple of weeks since the (last) calliper was replaced. I don't believe the rear brake was tight.. but didn't check specifically - however I do have a sloping drive and one tends to notice if a vehicle doesn't move as normal. I will check it all the same.

The old calliper was completely seized, I'm afraid...and at the time the priority was to get the vehicle operational again and, I didn't give the old one too much thought at that point. It had got hot in the last part of the journey to get it home...

I, too, am thinking there may be an underlying fault elsewhere.
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#9
A little further investigation this morning:

Toa answer a question raised in the thread: Mine is an ABS model.

I've some more info on the 'rumbling noise' and suspect it is likely coincidental with the timing of the brake calliper change...so will start a separate thread.

I remain keen to hear any further thoughts/theories on the hydraulic side, please.

many thanks.
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#10
Do not use coppaslip on rubber. Just don't.
It's mineral oil based & it swells & rots the rubbers & your pins will stick.
Also everybody used to slather the stuff on the back of brake pads to damp out squeal. But if too much, the oil could migrate to the dust seals on the pistons & rot them, letting damp and dust get into the caliper pistons & seize them.
Red Rubber grease, if you can find it, will work on rubber.
Easiest is probably silicone grease that they sell at plumbers merchants for about a tenner.
It's my go to these days for anything brakes & rubber.
Best of luck.
208,500 miles,  (Resurrected at 186,000)
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