Selling safe part-worn tyres THE LAW

[Opensauce]

So you would never hire a car, travel in anyone else's, let any one else drive yours unaccompanied ,go on a bus, take a cab ,fly on a plane, buy a used car without replacing the tyres ?

Not really a valid argument. Having worked in the recycling industry, it works like this. A tyre recycler collects tyres from tyre fitting depots/garages/breakers yards etc. Tyres are loaded either by being laced by hand into truck or loaded by grab. Tyres are then tipped into recycling yard. Before these tyres are processed(ie shredded, baled etc), a part worn tyre dealer who has an arrangement with the recyclers will sort through the tyres. He is looking for good carcasses & reasonable tread, the good carcasses will be exported to third world countries for remoulding & the better ones sold as part worns either export or sold in UK. He is mainly looking for large part worns as it is drivers of old Beemers etc that cannot afford new ones.

The main problem with part worns for me is how they are handled/stored in the period between removal & fitting. The tyres could have been stored in the open for months & handled by grab & shovel loader.

[steve valentine]

What about remoulds?

[Muppet1]

I would never have part worn tyres on a car/van Period!!! You have no idea where they have come from or what they may or may not have hit.

No Ta.

So you would never hire a car, travel in anyone else's, let any one else drive yours unaccompanied ,go on a bus, take a cab ,fly on a plane, buy a used car without replacing the tyres ?

ofcourse I hire cars and travel in other peoples. No one bar me drives mine. Bus hmmm once in 20 years. And yes if I buy a new car I do indeed replace the tyres.

But as most things you take you chances but me personally its not worth the risk for me to buy second hand tyre that could have come from anywhere.
Those 4 round black circles are all that are keeping you on the road and safe and I will always buy new tyre's no matter what they cost.

Edited by knobblywobbly - please don't use personal insults.

[tucker]

I think the 7 out of 10 are illegal is a bit imbalanced as they are usually illegal because they are not stamped part worn.

Nothing to do with their condition, tread or safety.

To be honest, I could give a rats ass if the tyre is stamped part worn. I know it's part worn. I am buying it part worn, I don't need it slapped onto the wall of the tyre to work that out. I buy part worn carefully and check them myself for quality, damage and repairs and make sure they are refitted by someone who knows his onions.

[pidgeonpost]

The thing is, when we hire a car, fly in a plane, ride on a bus etc. we take it on trust that the operator is exercising his professional obligation to ensure that the vehicle carrying us is in a safe condition. If there's an accident and it can be proved that the operator was negligent through fitting incorrect parts, poor servicing, or substandard tyres, then the Courts usually nail them to the wall. Many of the laws on the statute books have come about as a result of horrendous accidents, and the penalties are supposed to prevent us taking risks to save a few bob. Some will still take those risks though.
My other half knows sod all about cars. She used to be a teacher, and sometimes had to ferry other kids around. Consequently she trusted me to do my bit to try to ensure that the car was as safe as it reasonably can be. When you've a car full of other peoples kids you don't want to be taking too many chances unless you're fond of prison food.
If wifey was trucking down the M5 in the outside lane and the car did something nasty because I saved a couple of quid on cheapo tyres (or brake pads etc etc) she'd have my b******* on a fish slice. Assuming she survived of course.
And as for taking the chance 'cos you're the only person who drives the car, presumably you'll also have the skill to prevent your motor veering into a bus queue or into oncoming traffic if the worst happens.

[Opensauce]

My experience of the part worn tyre trade is that you are entering the dark underbelly of the motor trade & it is in this context part worn tyres should be viewed. Anybody with knowledge & understanding of tyres who is capable of carefully inspecting tyres for age & condition may well be ok having them fitted to their car. This is different from suggesting to anybody who may barely know how to check their oil that getting their next set of tyres from the nearest random part worn tyre supplier is good money saving advice.

[j90xxx]

I think the 7 out of 10 are illegal is a bit imbalanced as they are usually illegal because they are not stamped part worn.

Nothing to do with their condition, tread or safety.

To be honest, I could give a rats ass if the tyre is stamped part worn. I know it's part worn. I am buying it part worn, I don't need it slapped onto the wall of the tyre to work that out. I buy part worn carefully and check them myself for quality, damage and repairs and make sure they are refitted by someone who knows his onions.

Wrong.
If you watch the report properly only one was deemed illegal because of not being stamped.
I think all 'used' tyres should be destroyed or recycled into something else. They are 'used' for a reason.
I don't buy part worn tyres because I travel many miles on motorways at (unsurprisingly) motorway speeds.
Perhaps if I travelled a couple of miles to work, or to the shops, or to collect my giro or pension, then part worns would do?
The problem is that because many of us are being finacially 'raped' by the Government and by bureaucrats in Europe, many more people are having to travel great distances on motorways at motorway speeds on cheaper, sub-standard part worn tyres! And they are travelling on the same motorways, at the same speeds as me and you and our friends and loved ones...
To paraphrase another Forum member; play Russian Roulette with your own lives, not with your gun and my head.

[jericlin]

Not really a valid argument ? Sorry I must have misunderstood you, thought you said you wouldn't touch part worns, but not argued the point ?
I trust you were not implying that the Law regarding part worn's was not really a valid argument.
If any one is that vehemently opposed to the sale of part worns then perhaps observing worn tyres for sale for signs of the legally required labelling and a call to trading standards will help drive those illegal ones ( sellers and tyres ) off the streets.
You don't need to be vehement about it, just have a conscience perhaps.

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Interesting thought ? Were not the recyclers breaking the law ? Any one selling tyres that do not meet the requirements of the legislation are actually breaking the law.

[Opensauce]

Interesting thought ? Were not the recyclers breaking the law ? Any one selling tyres that do not meet the requirements of the legislation are actually breaking the law.

To answer that question, provided part worn dealer has a waste carrier's licence then the recycling company can sell him tyres. The recycling company is not retailing the tyres to the public.

You seem to be 'making the case' for fitting part worn tyres by correctly pointing out that every vehicle driving on the road has part worn tyres, but as I pointed out, not a valid argument for fitting part worns for reasons pointed out in my previous posts.

[tucker]

I think the 7 out of 10 are illegal is a bit imbalanced as they are usually illegal because they are not stamped part worn.

Nothing to do with their condition, tread or safety.

To be honest, I could give a rats ass if the tyre is stamped part worn. I know it's part worn. I am buying it part worn, I don't need it slapped onto the wall of the tyre to work that out. I buy part worn carefully and check them myself for quality, damage and repairs and make sure they are refitted by someone who knows his onions.

Wrong.
If you watch the report properly only one was deemed illegal because of not being stamped.
I think all 'used' tyres should be destroyed or recycled into something else. They are 'used' for a reason.
I don't buy part worn tyres because I travel many miles on motorways at (unsurprisingly) motorway speeds.
Perhaps if I travelled a couple of miles to work, or to the shops, or to collect my giro or pension, then part worns would do?
The problem is that because many of us are being finacially 'raped' by the Government and by bureaucrats in Europe, many more people are having to travel great distances on motorways at motorway speeds on cheaper, sub-standard part worn tyres! And they are travelling on the same motorways, at the same speeds as me and you and our friends and loved ones...
To paraphrase another Forum member; play Russian Roulette with your own lives, not with your gun and my head.

Wrong.
If you listen to the summary at 3:10 on the youtube clip you posted, it says quite clearly, 10 garages were visited. 7 sold part worn tyres. All were illegal because they were not stamped 'part worn'. 2 were deemed dangerous, meaning 5 of the 7 were perfectly safe, they were just not stamped up as part worn.

If you don't want to use part worns, fine but claiming people with unsafe tyres are putting others at risk is not just about this issue.

Anyone out there who's not clued up can have a leathal vehicle be it tyres, brakes etc.... If a person is that way inclined to drive an unsafe motor, they will.