(24-11-2011, 04:48 PM)philip Wrote:  Could you or someone else post a pic of the dash set up where the gear stick normally is?


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(23-11-2011, 08:46 PM)tintin Wrote:  picture of new van[Image: 2n21j5v.jpg]

TinTin, why don't you put this in the picture competition? Not many entries so far.

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(23-11-2011, 12:32 PM)philip Wrote:  

(23-11-2011, 12:23 PM)tintin Wrote:  

(23-11-2011, 09:42 AM)philip Wrote:  Has the semi auto got a clutch?

hi Philip,

Yes it has, but no clutch pedal. The clutch operates by electronic/electric/mechanical means - solenoids,servomotors ,I don't know exactly but I had two campervans , which had similar systems - Sprintshift on a Merc and Tipronic on a Volkswagen. I never used them in their manual mode i.e shifting up and down the gears by means of two paddles on the steering wheel (same as my Berlingo) because the auto knew exactly when to change gear and ,in fact, I found it to be the most economical mode as well as being more relaxing to drive.
tintin

OK im with you know, its the same idea as VW and Skoda auto boxes. They say you don't use as much fuel as the conventional auto box.

The Citroen "auto" box is different from the newer VW/Skoda/Seat DSG box as this uses a dual clutch mechanism. These gearboxes are really great and are the most advanced/efficient gearbox type I believe. They are expensive though.

Older autos described as "tiptronic" are usually conventional automatics with a torque converter, but with a facility to over-ride and change up and down "manually" either via the steering wheel buttons or the shift lever.

The Citroen box is basically like a manual gearbox inside, but with the clutch operated by electronic sensors, processors and actuators to do gear shifts for you as Tintin says. You can still have some control by using the paddles to dictate the shifts.

(24-11-2011, 09:35 PM)Chris Wrote:  The Citroen box is basically like a manual gearbox inside, but with the clutch operated by electronic sensors, processors and actuators to do gear shifts for you as Tintin says. You can still have some control by using the paddles to dictate the shifts.

I hope they are more reliable and user friendly than the one Mercedes fits in their Actros truck!
I had a new Actros with an auto box in Jan.2009,same type of system,manual box with clutch (no clutch pedal though) that is completely controlled by computer.
Only sometimes it just goes into neutral all by itself and never seems to be in the right gear at the right time,very annoying at roundabouts when you see a gap,put your foot down and nothing happens,it's deciding which gear it needs to be in.
There is a manual over-ride,but then I'd rather have a manual anyway!

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(24-11-2011, 09:35 PM)Chris Wrote:  picture of new van[Image: 2n21j5v.jpg]

I'm assuming that the car is fitted with 15" wheels as it has those style of wheel covers?
I'm interested to know exactly why Citroen fit 15" wheels on an XTR with the semi-auto box,yet now fit the 16" alloys as standard on a car with a manual box.
My XTR is a 2010 model with 16" steel rims.

I was told the steel wheels were fitted to keep emission levels down.( bizarre ) someone should request an explanation from Citroen.

(24-11-2011, 04:48 PM)philip Wrote:  Could you or someone else post a pic of the dash set up where the gear stick normally is?


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Hi Philip
Here 's one of mine.[Image: npnwjr.jpg]
tintin

(24-11-2011, 04:48 PM)philip Wrote:  Could you or someone else post a pic of the dash set up where the gear stick normally is?


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Hi Philip,
I sent a picture of the dash earlier today but can't find it displayed anywhere ( I'm new to this forum lark so it's probably there somewhere) I'll try sending it again. The resolution is not great so if you want I'll try and take a better picture.[Image: npnwjr.jpg]
tintin

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(25-11-2011, 08:55 AM)XTR Wrote:  

(24-11-2011, 09:35 PM)Chris Wrote:  The Citroen box is basically like a manual gearbox inside, but with the clutch operated by electronic sensors, processors and actuators to do gear shifts for you as Tintin says. You can still have some control by using the paddles to dictate the shifts.

I hope they are more reliable and user friendly than the one Mercedes fits in their Actros truck!
I had a new Actros with an auto box in Jan.2009,same type of system,manual box with clutch (no clutch pedal though) that is completely controlled by computer.
Only sometimes it just goes into neutral all by itself and never seems to be in the right gear at the right time,very annoying at roundabouts when you see a gap,put your foot down and nothing happens,it's deciding which gear it needs to be in.
There is a manual over-ride,but then I'd rather have a manual anyway!

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(24-11-2011, 09:35 PM)Chris Wrote:  picture of new van[Image: 2n21j5v.jpg]

I'm assuming that the car is fitted with 15" wheels as it has those style of wheel covers?
I'm interested to know exactly why Citroen fit 15" wheels on an XTR with the semi-auto box,yet now fit the 16" alloys as standard on a car with a manual box.
My XTR is a 2010 model with 16" steel rims.

Hi Chris , yes they are 15" rims. Have yet to find the definitive answer. Further to other suggestions submitted , it was suggested by the dealer's parts man that possibly the semi-auto configuration dictated the smaller wheel. The other thing I'd like to know more about is the combination alternator/starter stopping and starting the engine as soon as the footbrake is depressed/released at traffic lights,junctions etc. I had a TDI Polo ,of which the handbook said if you switched off the engine and it stayed off for 28 seconds before restarting,then you were saving fuel. The Berlingo can be off and on in less than a second,several times if you're shunting along. It goes against the grain but I suppose the boffins know best. I've got used to it now and though the eco-mode can be switched off, I just leave it on.[Image: 6frtjm.jpg]
All three seats just unclip and can be easily removed.
tintin

(24-11-2011, 04:48 PM)philip Wrote:  Could you or someone else post a pic of the dash set up where the gear stick normally is?


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Hi Philip,
I tried to send a pic twice but it seems to disappear into the ether.
I'm obviously doing something wrong. Will try again[Image: npnwjr.jpg]
tintin

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(24-11-2011, 04:48 PM)philip Wrote:  Could you or someone else post a pic of the dash set up where the gear stick normally is?


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Here's a pic of my manual gearstick,looks like yours has a completely different console.

   

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(26-11-2011, 11:04 AM)XTR Wrote:  Here's a pic of my manual gearstick,looks like yours has a completely different console.

And another view................

   

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(25-11-2011, 10:21 AM)taxi Wrote:  I was told the steel wheels were fitted to keep emission levels down.( bizarre ) someone should request an explanation from Citroen.

Bizarre indeed!
Surely the bigger diameter wheel you have the less engine revs you have,a larger size wheel covers more distance than a smaller one,therefore saving fuel.

Citroen probably have an excess stock of 15" wheels and tyres they need to get shot of!

(26-11-2011, 11:04 AM)XTR Wrote:  Here's a pic of my manual gearstick,looks like yours has a completely different console.

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(26-11-2011, 11:04 AM)XTR Wrote:  Here's a pic of my manual gearstick,looks like yours has a completely different console.

And another view................


Hi XTR,
Nice to see a Berlingo on home territory. It's my personal opinion , after seeing so many accidents within 80 kilometres of both Dover and Calais ,that the sooner we all have the steering wheels on the same side ,the better. ( I live in Folkestone).
One interesting thing I note. The 15" rims,with 205/65 tyres on my Berlingo seem to be as big ,if not bigger than the 16" rim,195/65 ones on my wife's Citroen C3 Picasso.Probably an optical illusion.
tintin

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(25-11-2011, 10:21 AM)taxi Wrote:  I was told the steel wheels were fitted to keep emission levels down.( bizarre ) someone should request an explanation from Citroen.

Bizarre indeed!
Surely the bigger diameter wheel you have the less engine revs you have,a larger size wheel covers more distance than a smaller one,therefore saving fuel.

Citroen probably have an excess stock of 15" wheels and tyres they need to get shot of!

(26-11-2011, 12:13 PM)tintin Wrote:  

(26-11-2011, 11:04 AM)XTR Wrote:  Here's a pic of my manual gearstick,looks like yours has a completely different console.

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(26-11-2011, 11:04 AM)XTR Wrote:  Here's a pic of my manual gearstick,looks like yours has a completely different console.

And another view................


Hi XTR,
Nice to see a Berlingo on home territory. It's my personal opinion , after seeing so many accidents within 80 kilometres of both Dover and Calais ,that the sooner we all have the steering wheels on the same side ,the better. ( I live in Folkestone).
One interesting thing I note. The 15" rims,with 205/65 tyres on my Berlingo seem to be as big ,if not bigger than the 16" rim,195/65 ones on my wife's Citroen C3 Picasso.Probably an optical illusion.
tintin

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(25-11-2011, 10:21 AM)taxi Wrote:  I was told the steel wheels were fitted to keep emission levels down.( bizarre ) someone should request an explanation from Citroen.

Bizarre indeed!
Surely the bigger diameter wheel you have the less engine revs you have,a larger size wheel covers more distance than a smaller one,therefore saving fuel.

Citroen probably have an excess stock of 15" wheels and tyres they need to get shot of!

XtR
The C3 Picasso tyres are 195/55 and not 195/65 so a much lower profile.
tintin